Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katarzyna Karpowicz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, leaning towards keep. I do not believe that relisting is likely to yield a more definitive outcome, and certainly not likely to yield a definitive consensus to delete, so I won't waste the community's time with it. Rationales for keeping are thin but not entirely nonexistent. The opinion of a low-edit Wikipedian in English with edits in the low hundreds in another language Wikipedia is given limited weight, though more than that of a pure SPA. BD2412 T 01:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Katarzyna Karpowicz

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It had been my intention to draftily because of serious WP:GNG doubts but Draft:Katarzyna Karpowicz exists. The article needs far better sourcing and to be incubated in Draft namespace. However, I can be persuaded to reconsider if the main space article is brought up to standard and Notability is verified.

At present the references (analysed from this permalink) are both insufficient and mainly primary sources Fiddle   Faddle  11:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.  Fiddle   Faddle  11:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions.  Fiddle   Faddle  11:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.  Fiddle   Faddle  11:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Note A new reference has been added, to a book, https://galeriaart.pl/prints/pdf/cover_karpowicz_66.pdf I have some hopes of this reference as being independent and significant coverage (though it is very much borderline, teetering on the wrong side of the border). Two more of better quaity, will be sufficient for me to withdraw this nomination. Fiddle   Faddle  18:52, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am concerned, however, if all new sourcing comes form the same outlet Fiddle   Faddle  19:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is now well referenced from several secondary sources with independent critics commenting on her work in the last 10 years (she is 33). She is second or third among all young painters in Poland in a prestigious "Compass of Young Artists" competition organized by Rzeczpospolita newspaper - Polish equivalent of the Wall Street Journal. Not just in the last year but several years in a row. The interviews are perhaps not the sanctified WP sources of information, but they are not used here as such. Instead, interviews, which typically occur in relation to art exhibitions, are proxy for notability. Only the most important interviews are referenced here (for example the one in Rzeczpospolita). I am native Polish speaker and these interviews contain interlocutors comments about her notability - for example stressing her commercial and artistic successes. References to her web pages (and material from them, possibly self-referencing) is now removed from the main text and moved to  "External links" subsection. She has several catalogs of her work printed by several galleries, which is unusual for an artist of her age. Puncinus (talk) 03:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you for your hard work. I find nothing in the references to convince me to withdraw the nomination. I see interviews and gallery catalogues, both of which are primary sources. One article about the family has a paragraph on this lady.
 * We need to see what others have said about her. While one might argue that being exhibited is a form of critique of her we need somewhat more than that in my view. So I have decided not to withdraw the nomination, but to allow others to judge the article and the lady's notability and verifiability. Fiddle   Faddle  06:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a section Katarzyna_Karpowicz on what others have said about Karpowicz's work in published materials (journal articles or books). Among them pl:Stanisław Tabisz (grafik) - professor of the Academy of Fine Arts in Cracow, primary art university in Poland, pl:Małgorzata Czyńska - Polish historian of art and art critic, Wojtek Tuleya - an art curator, Adam Szczuciński - an art critic, and others including articles of Jolanta Antecka and Bronisława Słonina. Some of these essays are published inside books and journal articles. For example, these 2 books (with ISBN) are available in the Polish National Library  Blue Grass or I had a dream. This one Genius Loci is available in Getty Research Institute and Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is true that these particular 3 ones are also "catalogs" from exhibitions but they contain material written by independent art critics and are acknowledged ways of establishing reputation in the art world.Puncinus (talk) 08:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Genuine artist. Find sources. Likely Keep   scope_creep Talk  11:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. She is a well known young painter and the article is well documented with many independent critics references. Katarzyna Zimek (talk) 21:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC) — Katarzyna Zimek (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. However, note that she is a wikipedian since 2015 with hundreds of edits on pl:WP
 * Keep. Notable artist, the critical reception is well referenced, the article has been siginificantly improved since the nomination for deletion.Filip em (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Borderline. While we seem to have some WP:SPA and even possobile WP:MINION or worse activity here, COI/miscoduct aside, the artist may be notable.She got a short paragraph summarizing her life and work in a major Polish newspaper here: and two in this regional edition of another major newspaper: . She comes from a painter family that got brief coverage (and she, a brief mention) in a lesser but still reliable Polish newspaper here: . She seems to be balansing on WP:TOOSOON and I am unsure if she is notable yet. Possibly. Let's see what others think. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I suspect it's a bit soon. While none of the artists form the Kompas listing have articles on English Wikipedia, they have in most cases received a fair amount of critical attention, and some have been quite successful, like Ewa Juszkiewicz. Artfacts.net ranks Agnieszka Polska in the top 1000 worldwide and top 10 in Poland for example. A high ranking in Kompas is a clear indication that the subject is a serious artist. Vexations (talk) 13:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)


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