Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kate Whitman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While the article's pretty well-written, the delete side's rationale was stronger to me. Wizardman 20:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Kate Whitman

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Article (which is unreferenced) makes no claims of being or doing anything that makes her notable. Running for Congress and being the daughter of a governor are both significant things in a person's life, but neither make a person Wikipedia-notable, and when there's nothing more that she's done, there's no reason to have this article. Nyttend (talk) 01:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I will have more to say if it becomes necessary, but for right now:  As the person who created this article, I really have to wonder, what's the rush?  The AfD tag was placed on the article only 23 minutes after I created it.  I was planning on doing more work on it tomorrow, and will still do so, but why does it have to have a deletion hanging over it?  I will put in some more biographical info on her, but the fact remains that the most notable thing she has done (in my opinion) is run for Congress, and come in second in a crowded Republican primary for an open seat in a district that (while competitive) has always elected a Republican.  To me, that seems notable enough, especially when I see the number of local politicians (from various countries) who have articles.  The fact that her mother was not only a governor, but a high-ranking (and controversial) federal official, combined with her second-place run for Congress, adds to her notability.  But aside from all this, I just find the almost immediate nomination to be very surprising, and unnecessary.  Neutron (talk) 02:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I nominated because the article was of decent length to assert notability: running for Congress and being CTWhitman's daughter appeared to be the most notable things she's done, so because they're not notable, I found AFD quite appropriate. Nyttend (talk) 05:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would have been more appropriate to discuss the issues on the article's talk page. An article should have more than 23 minutes to become a complete article before bureaucratic procedures and five-day deadlines are invoked.  If that's not the policy, it should be.  Neutron (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. By Neutron's own admission, Whitman is most notable for coming in second. That's not enough to satisfy WP:POLITICIAN. She also can't inherit notability from her mother. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:POLITICIAN, and notability is not inherited. --Dhartung | Talk 04:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: her candidacy did attract some notice in the national press - see e.g., , so even though she doesn't satisfy WP:POLITICIAN, I think she does just about satisfy WP:BIO. Scog (talk) 07:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, I have added reliable, independent sources to the article from before she became a political candidate, which I believe demonstrates that she satisfies the general notability guideline. Accurizer (talk) 13:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Notability is not inherited, and neither of those cites are "in-depth;" the first discusses several candidates in what is described as a wide-open field, the second a mere couple paragraphs boiling down to "She's running" and "Oh, yeah, she's Christine Whitman's daughter." While I generally agree about the obnoxiousness of shotgun AfDs, and WP:HEY applies, the creator has five days to convince us.    RGTraynor  13:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not my job to convince anybody of anything. If Wikipedia wants to discourage people from creating articles, and to have articles for lesser-known politicians simply because they are the mayor of some little town, while better-known politicians do not simply because they haven't won anything yet, that's Wikipedia's problem, not mine.  Neutron (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete insufficient notabilty demonstrated Mayalld (talk) 14:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, she hasn't yet done anything sufficiently noteworthy on her own. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep independent claims of notability are supported by ample reliable and verifiable sources in major national publications, fully satisfying the Notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Alansohn. As for my comment above and the subsequent comments, I didn't realize there was so much bureaucracy involved in starting an article on Wikipedia.  Neutron (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E and WP:POLITICIAN. If her mother wasn't Christine Todd Whitman, she wouldn't have a chance. That being the case, notability is not inhereted. Alternatively, Merge/Redirect to Christine Todd Whitman. - brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 16:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand how WP:POLITICIAN applies, although I think its requirements have been satisfied by the additions to the article. (I think that guideline needs to be modified, but I will deal with that there, if at all.)  However, WP:BLP1E (which I never saw before) does not apply.  It applies to people with a "low profile" or who were connected with "one event."  This person is a politician who is trying to have as high a profile as possible.  Her campaign signs were all over the place, I saw them.  And a political campaign is not "one event", it includes dozens if not hundreds of events.  If any guideline applies, it is WP:POLITICIAN, as defective as it may currently be.  Neutron (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge/Redirect (to Christine Todd Whitman) or Weak keep - Doesn't seem to have a lot of meat, but could possibly written better/expanded.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  17:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Damn near speedyable if not for her mother.  Merge the most interesting bits to her mother's article.  —Wknight94 (talk) 02:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Amply satisfies WP:RS and WP:POLITICIAN, which explicitly states that losing a race is no more a guarantor of non-notability than winning one is a guarantor of the opposite.  To wit: "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."  Done and done.  Ford MF (talk) 15:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.