Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katherine Kelley


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Plenty of sources cited. Unfortunately, nobody agrees that they establish notability. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Katherine Kelley

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Kelley was Miss Nevada. This title is not enough on its own to establish notability. The article creeps through low finishes with extremely local coverage. The coverage of her Nevada win is still all local. My search for more on google came up with articles that said things like "Kelley might make headlines as Nevada's first top 10 finisher" when the competition had not begun yet. At this time Kelley lacks long lasting or permanent notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:10, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion was originally closed as no consensus because there is a lack of Wikipedia consensus on the matter on December 6th, after I presented some issues to the closer, and another editor argued that these should be considered on a case by case basis, the administrator who closed gave permission to reopen this discussion. I primarily state this so the time frame when this discussion has actually been open can be clearly seen. It was closed from early December 6th (about 7 GMT) to about 14 GMT on December 9th.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 01:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - The article has a number of secondary sources, but being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- insufficient claim to notability with a state-level pageant win. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This is another of deceased Dravecky's articles.  The workmanship is superb.  Note that Dravecky's talk page has not received notice of this AfD, diff.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Review of the diff that added the AfD template to the article page shows that there is no edit summary to indicate that the edit was a desire to delete the article.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Here are some of the sources from the article, ignoring obvious primary sources.
 * Unscintillating (talk) 14:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment Why are people complaining about me not notifying a dead editor? That makes no sense at all. There is a notice that the article is nominated for deletion. Unscintillating seems to be trying to find any minor point to disrupt the deletion process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Here is more coverage I found using Google news:
 * http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/09/meet_the_3_miss_america_2016_c.html Coverage in Alabama prior to the 2015 Miss American pageant
 * http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/nov/07/trump-would-be-a-poor-role-model-for-our-children/ Guest columnist prior to the 2016 US Presidential election
 * http://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2016/may/11/2016-miss-nevada-america-bailey-gumm-its-sink-or-s/ End of reign as Miss Nevada 2015
 * https://www.unlv.edu/news/article/6-questions-miss-nevada Introductory bio and quotes from a "chat about her background and thoughts on education in America."
 * http://www.ktnv.com/positivelylv/get-free-pancakes-at-ihop-for-nationalpancakeday An activity as reigning Miss Nevada 2015 reported on an ABC affiliate
 * http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/norm-clarke/bravo-air-frank-marino-s-fabulous-disney-wedding Pageant Grumbles (columnist blog) Coverage following Kelley's win, of controversy concerning Nevada residency requirements for entering the Miss Nevada pageant
 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3231076/Miss-America-finalists-flaunt-figures-array-weird-wonderful-skills-pageant-s-preliminaries-finish-hotly-contested-swimsuit-talent-rounds.html International coverage from dailymail.co.uk
 * http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mLg_eqhXkLIJ:http://photo.liputan6.com/lifestyle/aksi-cantik-kontestan-miss-amerika-2015-unjuk-bakat-2314899%2Bhttp://photo.liputan6.com/lifestyle/aksi-cantik-kontestan-miss-amerika-2015-unjuk-bakat-2314899&num=1&hl=en&gbv=1&prmd=ivns&strip=1&vwsrc=0 Google text-only cache of Indonesian foreign-language coverage, 1 of 7 listed the text states, "Miss Nevada, Katherine Kelley menunjukan bakatnya bermain piano saat ajang kecantikan Miss Amerika 2015 di Boardwalk Hall di Atlantic City, New Jersey, 8 September 2015. (REUTERS/Mark Makela)"
 * http://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2015/aug/27/miss-nevada-katherine-kelley-packs-2015-miss-ameri/ In-depth coverage by Robin Leach
 * Unscintillating (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Note As per User talk:DGG, I have asked the closer to reassess this AfD.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please let us know if you don't want to reassess this AfD. Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * My close was based on the apparent lack of established standards. I have no opinion on the individual article as such.  DGG ( talk ) 02:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: the workmanship may be superb, but the article still covers a non-notable subject. It contains copy such as:
 * "In 2009 she was a cast member of the Community Theater production of "Brighton Beach Memoirs".[19]"
 * This is trivia and a hallmark of a WP:PSEUDO BLP and should be correspondingly deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What does WP:PSEUDO say is the remedy for the problem asserted? Is it deletion?  Unscintillating (talk) 00:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Miss Nevada The subject is not independently notable other than the pageant. However, in this case it is a comparatively recent event 1-2 years) and there may be a chance of coverage. I suggest a redirect at this point. If a few years later there is no further coverage, it can be delete permanently. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.