Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Roe Carr


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Feel free to improve or discuss further on talk page and renominate if you so desire. Missvain (talk) 22:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Katie Roe Carr

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Subject appeared on two TV shows, the reality TV competition, The Circle and a programme about dating (and apparently on Lorraine Kelly's Breakfast TV programme after she was 'blocked' from The Circle). This isn't really enough by any stretch of the imagination to warrant her own Wikipedia article. We would normally only write articles about winners of the most high profile TV shows. Carr didn't come close to winning and the coverage about her is almost entirely in relation to coverage of events in The Circle. At best I'd say this should be redirected to The Circle (British series 2). Sionk (talk) 22:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep, if we look at WP:NACTOR, it says the subject needs to have significant roles in multiple shows/films which I think is this case when the rule is applied as She appeared in a Dating documentary, about which a full length coverage is present at The Guardian. There are plenty other references for the Circle. She also appeared on Lorraine Kelly's Breakfast TV programme. I think per WP:NACTOR and WP:THREE, these references , , , make her pass the bar of notability. Chirota (talk) 01:13, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - she's appeared in one documentary and a reality tv show. We don't generally count reality show appearances as significant roles. Over the last few weeks, we've been getting rid of participants in the Indian reality tv show Big Boss with more significant presences. Furius (talk) 12:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not aware of Indian Big Boss participants loosing their articles here and not sure if it is comparable here. But as far as policy is concerned, I have seen she passes WP:NACTOR as she appeared in multiple productions in significant roles. Also, it is not acceptable to be prejudiced towards relaity show, as long as the show is notable. Chirota (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I was working from things like Articles for deletion/Som Shekar, where people said things like "appearances in Big Brother don't count towards notability". If that's incorrect, then I'm willing to change my vote, but on the face of it, it looks to me like a double standard and one that plays right into criticism of wikipedia's anglocentrism. Furius (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The deletion discussion of Som Shekar seems indicating Som Shekar participated only in a single show where 20+ participants participates. I am not much aware of Indian Big Boss, but I feel these two situations are not comparable. Chirota (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - appearing in two reality shows is not significant roles in multiple shows/films. --hroest 18:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually there is a documentary where she acted as per The Guardian source where she has lead role, so it counts I Guess. Chirota (talk) 22:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep She acted in one documentary and two shows out of which acted in major roles in Date My Mom and The Circle (British TV series). So passes WP:NACTOR for which the actress need at least two major roles. Also, passes per WP:THREE. Kirtos67 (talk) 22:29, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Katie Carr appeared in multiple shows and has good set of references so she is eligible for notability. In the Circle she appeared till Episode 9, so she was having a main role there. So is true for Date my Mum. BK927 (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As per the references and rationale given by Chirota, the subject appears to pass WP:NACTOR hence we can keep the article. ☆★  Mamushir   ( ✉✉ ) 17:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's be realistic, Date My Mum is not a notable TV show, and being interviewed on Breakfast TV is not a significant role in a notable film/show. The Circle is a notable reality show, but she appeared broiefly and was voted out early. There's no way by any stretch of the imagination she passes WP:NACTOR. Let's treat Wikipedia with some respect! Sionk (talk) 10:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 08:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly fails WP:NACTOR. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 11:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment, This is a case of borderline notability where the subject barely passes the notability criteria but since it passes nonetheless I opined in favor of keeping it. This reference says date my mum to be a documentary, can you convince me that it isn't so? If its a non notable reality show as you are claiming I may change my vote, but that's not apparent from the references. ☆★   Mamushir   ( ✉✉ ) 17:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


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