Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katy Perry (disambiguation)


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 00:00, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Katy Perry (disambiguation)

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Combined dab that should not be combined. When split into two dabs: 1. Katy Perry is WP:TWODABS failure, 2. "Katy Hudson & Kate Hudson" is OK so this could be moved there rather than deleted (without leaving redirect). Two hatnotes at primarytopic should suffice. Widefox ; talk 18:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  18:56, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as I mentioned on the talk page, the closest thing to a viable combination would be a "Katy Hudson" DAB, but that fails WP:TWODABS since Katy Perry is the primary topic (where it redirects) and the album is located at Katy Hudson (album) Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Really? how about: Widefox ; talk 20:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Nom suggested change to move (updated nom with suggested move & naming) - move to Katy Hudson (disambiguation) would have 3 entries:

"Katy Hudson (born 1984) is an American musician with the stage name Katy Perry.

Katy Hudson or Kate Hudson may also refer to:


 * Katy Hudson (album), a 2001 eponymous album by the artist who subsequently adopted the stage name Katy Perry
 * Kate Hudson (born 1979), American actress
 * Kate Hudson (activist) (born 1958), British activist


 * See also
 * Katie Perry (born 1980), English-born Australian fashion designer"

Widefox ; talk 20:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That wouldn't really work since "Kate Hudson", "Katy Hudson", "Katie Perry" are three separate terms. The first two both fail WP:TWODABS (one primary topic and one other topic) while the other is a sole topic. Doesn't really work. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We routinely combine spelling variants etc. on dabs, including human names. Depends on closeness of "Kate" and "Katy", ping User:PamD, User:Xezbeth. (the "Katie Perry" See also item is really secondary and could be dropped, but as there's primary and secondary ambiguity here with the name of both primary topics, this seems prudent to include the secondary in that See also way) Widefox ; talk 09:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, what a mess of a disambiguation. These are completely different names that shouldn't be disambiguated together. The hatnotes that were in place before this was created is the best solution. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator. WP:HAT states that "If at all possible, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page." Which I am trying to achieve with this disambiguation page. Note that the primary topic of Katy Hudson is the Katy Perry article. This does not meet WP:TWODABS, since similarly named articles, like the ones in the See also section of the disambiguation page, are plausible search terms. sst✈discuss 00:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't do "A and B" dab pages, only "A and As" and the like. There are two Katies and two Kates. Neither pair warrants a dab page. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but "the like" is quite a list - we do much more than plurals - including (but not limited to) spelling variants, spelling similarity, abbreviations, similarity of sound, appearance of characters/symbols, synonyms, combining dabs based on size. Widefox ; talk 09:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: better done by hatnotes. Pam  D  09:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This disambiguation page was intended to be a bold solution to article naming issues. I still disagree with placing multiple hatnotes at the top of articles, but consensus seems to favor doing so. Therefore, you may as well delete this page. sst✈discuss 09:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As a dab that's focussed on the primary topic article this is a IAR solution, but there's no reason to have that at the expense of contorting (by conflating independent terms) normal disambiguation as a whole. (there's a question for you Pam above) Widefox ; talk 09:37, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete because I can't find any obvious evidence that anyone has actually ever referred to Kate Hudson as Katy Hudson. The names aren't even homophones. The basis for the ambiguity is non-existent - the single letter of difference is quite sufficient to distinguish, even if it's just one letter. Allowing all possible single-letter differences to creep into disambiguation is a slippery slope into a giant mess, let's just not do that any more than absolutely necessary. In this case, of a less common name, it's not necessary at all. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's not about ambiguity of each item, it's just a practical one about combining terms on a dab.
 * The question that I posed above: is this a case of variant forms of names per WP:DPAGE "Variant forms of names. For example, Fred Smith also includes persons named Frederick Smith." (Dick, Richard etc). I'm thought it was, but I defer to others. I'm guessing PamD and Xezbeth both think not? So it appears there's no consensus for it (so far). Widefox ; talk 11:35, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing the prerequisite there. The reason we put all the various Fred Smiths on the same page is that it's actually common for people to refer to Frederick Smiths as Fred Smiths, so when looking for "Fred Smith", the reader might easily be looking for a person whose proper name is Frederick. Are the forms Kate and Katy supposed to be as interchangeable? I doubt it. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In my world yes, but I'm not much of a RS! But seriously...lets check that gut feeling... per Kate "It is sometimes a short form of Katherine" and Katy "Katy, a short form of the name Katherine" so yes there's WP ambiguity and a overwhelming reason to combine. I don't know about "prerequisite" but synonyms of Katherine is quite clear, although I defer to others for how we actually handle those two and similar. WP ambiguity is the reason we disambiguate. Is that a persuasive case User:PamD User:Xezbeth ? Widefox ; talk 21:37, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the two given names are similar enough to warrant a distinguish hatnote, though I wouldn't consider them ambiguous just because they're derived from the same name. I also don't think two separate hatnotes create much clutter; 4 or more is where it starts getting silly. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's... deductive, not inductive? If we went down that route, we could also say Fred/erick is only because it's a clear-cut derivation (contraction), and Kate is not a clear-cut derivation of Katy, or vice versa. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 13:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


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