Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kay.K.BayZ


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. -- Longhair\talk 21:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Kay.K.BayZ

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Blatant self-promotion but the guy is protesting notability so let us give him the consesus view. -- RHaworth 14:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: No external sources present, fails WP:MUSIC.-- Rise Above The Vile   14:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - definately fails WP:MUSIC. Very few hits on Google, most of them coming from Myspace. Infact, with MySpace being the top external link, it is an ominous sign of this artist being completely non-notable. It looks like an article written by the subject of its content too (i.e. the artist himself).  Lra drama 15:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per CSD's G4 and A7. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 15:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost nothing outside myspace, except a profile on the website for "Australia's premier award for unsigned artists", but that event doesn't take place until next month.Obviously promotional. Should be speedied if it is, indeed, a true recreation of deleted material.--Sethacus 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can't say A7 here because there's assertion of notability, but no demonstration - thus the delete. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 19:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.  -- Mattinbgn\talk 20:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC. Keb25 20:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete WP:CSD Carter | Talk to me 20:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:BLP and WP:MUSIC, which is sad, because he might be good. Bearian 21:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, Just some background info: 6hr Sundae is a popular rock band in Turkey and have released video clips, done TV interviews with big stations and played at major concerts. Kay.K is a lead singer, producer, songwriter and drummer of the band. Notability of 6hr Sundae: Due to the continually updating nature of the music industry, songs don't stay in the charts for long and websites are updated to reflect the new changes. The 6hr Sundae (known as 6 Saat overseas) album was released early this year and has already placed and been removed from the charts. Therefore it's extremely difficult to find currently live links. However, we have attached a few from a radio station and some screen dumps to prove the success of the band: I understand that YouTube and the bands website are not considered as solid evidence, however there are many video clips and TV interviews posted there proving the popularity and success, hence notability, of the band. Kay.K.BayZ is the producer of the album, a songwriter, lead singer and drummer in the band. I have read through the Wikipedia criteria ("composers and lyricists" and "musician and artist") and believe that Kay.K qualifies under each/any of these: The Kay.K.BayZ website is new. Kay.K is more a record producer than an artist...And this should also explain why most links are to and from MySpace. I am prepared to remove any part of the article that may sound like advertising/spam to make sure we are providing information about Kay.K and not advertising him. Regards, Kudret KayKBayZ 00:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I understand your concerns. Thanks for allowing the opportunity to prove he is notable. Kay.K.BayZ is notable through his work with 6hr Sundae. His real name is Kudret(Kudy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by KayKBayZ (talk • contribs) 08:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Radio Charts: http://www.radiooscar.net/muzik_haber_detaylari.asp?haber=847 http://www.radiooscar.net/top20.asp?gelen=148 http://www.radiooscar.net/top20.asp?gelen=146
 * Billboard Magazine: http://www.6hrsundae.com/media/billboard.jpg
 * Dream TV Website Screen Dump: http://www.6hrsundae.com/media/dreamTv.jpg
 * Rock Fest 2007: http://www.zeytinlirockfest.com/ (navigate to "Gruplar" then "6 Saat")
 * -Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria
 * -Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above, a notable theatre, or has been taken up by a musician or ensemble that qualifies above.
 * -Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer that qualifies for the above list.
 * -Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria.


 * If that is so, feel free to create an article for that band and mention your name there. As for yourself, on wikipedia, notability is not inherited. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 12:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the prompt response. As you suggested, there will soon be an article about 6hr Sundae on Wikipedia as well. And ofcourse as you mentioned, notability is not inherited and none of the other 6hr Sundae members will have a Wikipedia entry just yet. Kay.K however, according to the criteria for "composers and lyricists" is notable (see above). And if you feel any part of the article is self-promotion and does not fit in with the Wikipedia Encyclopedia format please let me know so we can make the required alterations. Kind Regards, Kudret KayKBayZ 15:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't seem to find any statement to assist your claim, could you specify? Thanks. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 16:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - tack on WP:COI. Major self promotion here. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 19:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Firstly, I'd like to point out that this is meant to be an informative article and if in any way it comes across as self promotion please let me know which sections so we can fix them immediately. I think we agree that 6hr Sundae is notable due to their popularity and success overseas? Well my interpretation of the WP:MUSIC Criteria for composers and lyricists is that Kay.K is notable because he:


 * -Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist for 6hr Sundae
 * -Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above, a notable theatre, or has been taken up by 6hr Sundae
 * -Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer fir 6hr Sundae
 * -Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist for 6hr Sundae

I can send you a copy of the CD Cover with the credits to prove this if it will help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KayKBayZ (talk • contribs) 03:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Would it help if the article was re-angled to clarify that Kay.K.BayZ is a Composer and Lyricist instead of taking the angle of artist?

Kind Regards,

Kudret KayKBayZ 01:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC. i don't think that would particularly help.  tomasz.  19:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Still no notability.  Cap'n Walker 16:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There are a few things that I am having trouble understanding. Can you please clarify to me why this article doesn't qualify in a little more detail than "sounds like self promotion" or "still no notability"?

To my understanding and interpretation of the Wikipedia criteria Kay.K.BayZ qualifies. We already agree that 6hr Sundae is notable right? Well under the criteria for composers and lyricists Kay.K is notable. I think my interpretation of that section is accurate.

I have explained why web presence for key terms "Kay.K.BayZ" is small at the moment but have told you that under his real name "6 Sundae Kudret" there are a couple of pages of links. Perhaps I should include that in the main article so people know who it's about?

I appreciate the work you are doing to keep Wikipedia advertising free. I hope you don't misunderstand my tone in these discussions... :) Kudret KayKBayZ 21:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


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