Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kayden William Troff


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 00:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Kayden William Troff

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Endorsed prod was contested, so i'm moving this here. The relevant issue is WP:N. The article is about a kid who won a speed chess tournament (the tournament may or may not be notable in itself). I can't find non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. Firestorm (talk) 22:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC) Firestorm (talk) 22:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - NN - --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 *  Weak Keep I'm not sure. Troff's regular (not speed chess) rating is 1898 (enter Troff on this search page). If he is indeed 10 or 11 years old, that is a very high rating for his age. The rule of thumb is that juniors with ratings of age times 100 (for example, an 11-year-old with an 1100 rating) have potential; players with age times 100, plus 500 points (e.g., an 11-year-old rated 1600), are very promising. Troff, at age times 100, plus 800 or more points, has outstanding potential. He is tied for 11th-12th on the unofficial 2008 World Chess Live Junior Grand Prix Top Standings. I don't know the exact significance of that. I am not sure whether his achievements to date are notable, but it would not be at all surprising if he developed into an outstanding player. I am on the fence, but my inclination would be to keep the article - although it obviously needs more detail. Krakatoa (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The article now cites two different newspapers and a TV station that have written stories about the kid in the last 15 months, and also that the United States Chess Federation named him to the 2008 "All-America Chess Team". I think that is sufficiently notable, so I'm changing my "Weak Keep" to "Keep". Krakatoa (talk) 00:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Substantial, independent reliable source coverage does exist; I've added a few sources, there's more available.  Reliable source coverage satisfies the general notability guideline.  Troff has been named to the 2008 All America Chess Team, which speaks to two secondary criteria of WP:BIO.  He has been covered by reliable sources for more than a year, so this is not a case of WP:ONEVENT; he's highly regarded within the chess community, so this is not a case of simply trivial news coverage.  He's notable now, so there's no problem of crystal-balling about his future notability.  Baileypalblue (talk) 00:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable Warrington (talk) 17:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  01:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, sufficient coverage in reliable sources and multiple titles. Usrnme h8er (talk) 11:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, Cuñado  ☼ -  Talk  20:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete His titles are not notable enough (regional only). His strength in the game of chess is not high enough for the moment to be notable neither. SyG (talk) 22:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * His appointment to the All America Chess Team is national, not regional, and is described as "one of the highest national honors attainable by a young chess player". Baileypalblue (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, reliable source coverage, sufficiently notable.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. By itself, a rating of 1898 (this is from the USCF website) is not impressive enough for an encyclopedia article, but gaining a rating like that at age 10 is highly unusual (Magnus Carlsen's rating at age 10 was 1716, and his exploits were already garnering attention in the chess community then), and the newspaper coverage provided in the article seems sufficient to pass WP:N. I agree with SyG in that the titles and strength by themselves are not sufficent, but the age factor here has garnered independent (non-chess) media interest, and does indicate an interest for an article like this on Wikipedia. Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And here we are four years later, with Troff an International Master of great repute and U14 World Champion.


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