Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kedu dialect


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 15:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Kedu dialect

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No indication that this is actually a thing. The references are all to blogs, and no academic sources seem to exist. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - allow the editor the opportunity to either (a) expand into written sources (Romo Zoet et al) (b) the dialects of javanese were well explained and identified in Nothofer - if there was a single reference to Nothofer - it would be a snow keep, the lack of reference to nothofer is the crux of the validity of the article. satusuro 23:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Where, exactly, do either of these scholars identify the Javanese spoke in the former Kedu regency as the "Kedu dialect"? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed my access to Nothofer and Zoetmulder is a delay factor of up to a week. If neither refs have no mention of the dialect  - then it is indeed a valid AFD...  satusuro 00:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - the same editor has created several Javanese dialect articles, all depending on Wordpress blogs with no other references and no other references to be found. If this is not real, let's removed it from Wikipedia. If it IS real, after that or another editor has found some reliable sourcing, the article should be re-made at that time.EBY (talk) 01:23, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete; I'd expect dialects to have an abundance of sources, but my searches turned up nothing other than the few blog posts already cited in the article. I see plenty of coverage of Kedu Residency, but not the dialect. Willing to change my opinion if someone comes up with sources before the end of this discussion, but until then I'm not convinced it's real. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete; Agree with Crisco1492 and Dylan. At best, this might be able to be covered in an article on Javanese dialects but not an article on each dialect.   HalfGig   talk  23:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - the 'delete' argument is assuming that online sources are the way to verify the article and its claims - if there had been either references to, or utilisation of Uhlenbeck, Nothofer or Zoetmulders works - along with other paper only sources could show that the range of dialects of Java are worthy of stand alone articles. satusuro 14:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't assumed that at all, it's just that online sources are the only ones I have access to. Hence why I said "Willing to change my opinion if someone comes up with sources before the end of this discussion". Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The argument - nothing personal - I agree with you - I would be interested to see if anyone can get a handle on nothofer - I suspect he is the probable best reference to see how he describes it. Unfortunately the far more accessible works by Robson (Javanese English Dictionary) do not go into the dialect differences adequately to be references in an article like this. satusuro 15:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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