Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keegan Sauder


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Courcelles (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Keegan Sauder

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Article about a skateboarder. No maintsteam media coverage. References list videos he's in. Also youtube videos and 2 links to skateboard websites. Open to if this he is notable or not. Mboverload (talk) 02:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC) You don't need to know who he is. All pro skateboarders are celebreties within the skateboarding world. Keegan Sauder lives in Vancouver, BC, Canada. If you ask a little kid who skateboards who lives in Idaho or New York City or France they will know who Keegan Sauder is. You probably never heard of Chrisian Hosoi, Tony Alva or Rick McCrank but inside the skateboarding world they're bigger than Jesus. Just like Grandmast Caz or Grandwizard Theodore are celebrities inside the early 80's hip hop world but to the average joe-six-pack these names mean nothing. If you google Keegan's name you'll find ads, magazine pictures, videos & image after image of Keegan Sauder, more than you could possibly click on. If you go into the 7-11 & pick up any skateboard magazine at random you will find a picture, interview, ad, or some mention of Keegan in any one of them. There's about a million famous things I've never heard of either.
 * Delete I'm not even clear what the claim to notability is. Skateboarders are not inherently notable Vartanza (talk) 03:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Yeah. I have no clue who this guy is, but he has no reason to be an article- there's no notability. -- Rockstone  talk to me!   03:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Keegan_Sauder" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfromvan (talk • contribs) 05:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 01:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's always a mistake to judge notability on the quality of a Wikipedia article. There's plenty of News coverage of Keegan Sauder, and the article already links to articles in Skateboarder mag and Thrasher magazine. See also ESPN, SBCSkateboard.com. Not in-depth coverage perhaps, but I think these demonstrate that the guy's notable in the world of skatebaording. As a professional sportsman I would have though that he would be deemed notable given that we allow articles on footballers and cricketers who may have only played once for a professional club.--Michig (talk) 06:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete-I've no doubt there are "a million famous things" the author "never heard of", but this is not one of them. Indeed we do need to know who he is, and being dismissive of others in such a debate will not win your cause.--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep.If you wanna find out more about Keegan Sauder just google his name & all kinds of links will pop up that you can click on as well as multiple images showing pictures of the same guy over & over. Also, you can just go to the local corner store & pick up any current skateboarding magazine & there will be some mention of him in either one you look at, regardless of the publication. If you wanna add some of the links to the article feel free. Keegan Sauder has just in the last couple of years become a household name in the skateboarding world & is now known to skateboarders all over North America & internationally. Wikipedia has articles on mucher lesser known people than Keegan Sauder. Like I said, people are only celebrities to people who are interested in the things the celebrities are known for. That's why there are people in India or China who won't know who Mickey Mouse or Elvis Presley are. Why? It doesn't relate to their world. There are people in North America who won't know most of the famous cricket players just like people in Greece, Italy, South Africa, or India won't know who Sidney Crosby is. Why? Cricket is not popular in North America & ice hockey is not popular in most warm tropical climates where people can't play it. This is how everything is. Even the most famous Hollywood movie stars' names mean nothing to many people in many parts of the world. If you research Keegan you will see he is well-known enough to be an article in Wikipedia. robfromvan 22:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfromvan (talk • contribs)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep - Plenty of notability to justify an article: but where's the article? Hard to be enthusiastic about keeping something when there's almost nothing written in it, but I still think it should be kept (as a Stub or Start). SteveStrummer (talk) 14:07, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — fetch ·  comms   01:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - as a professional athelete, and he does receive coverage such as this ESPN interview. Issues of article qualify are concerns for edittign and are not a reason for deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisted again as it's a BLP.  — fetch ·  comms   01:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - There's an ESPN interview, but if it's that major why isn't it in the article? There are a lot of sponsored athletes. They still need RS, and I'm not sure I see that here. Maybe a little more explanation or more than one source would be useful (youtube videos don't count). Shadowjams (talk) 08:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)q
 * Comment - This is a terrible article, whether the dude is worthy of inclusion or not. If it stays, it should be fixed. Carrite (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - the fact that the article is in poor shape has no bearing on the notability of the subject and this AFD. Cleaning up articles is an editting issue. -- Whpq (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.