Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keely Mills


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  17:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Keely Mills

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A poet laureate for a city! But is he notable outside Peterborough? &mdash; RHaworth 01:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BIO. The best source I could find was this article from peterboroughtoday.co.uk. This local source is not enough to establish notability. I would vote keep if two local sources from two different newspapers were found, but I could not find more than one for the subject of this article. The other results are passing mentions that do not establish notability. Furthermore, a Google Books search returns no results. Cunard (talk) 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - for a while - the article was only created a week ago, the creator is still active in improving the article as of three days ago, it's obviously still under construction, and the subject isn't so obviously and irremediably un-notable that I can say that notability couldn't be established with a little more work. Let's give the guy another week or so to see if he fills it out, and re-visit it then. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Give the guy another week or so" is exactly what an AfD does: when it is closed another week will have been given. By then we will have seen whether notability can be established. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article has been tagged for notability for over a week, and all I can find on GNews is a few mentions in the same local paper. A promising career ahead, but not notable yet. Don't see any point in keeping the article any longer because I can't see any prospect of the article author or anyone else finding evidence of notability. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Poet Laureate is a crown appointment, not (as far as i know) one that a borough can confer. Even if she were borough laureate, I doubt it would make her notable.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The title "poet laureate for Peterborough" is just a rather pretentious way of saying that she won a local poetry competition in the town. I have made several Google searches for various combinations such as "Keely Mills" poet and "Keely Mills" poems, and so on, and checked several dozen resulting hits. The most substantial coverage I found was the brief article in "Peterborough Today" (mentioned above) which, alongside mentioning Andrew Motion's leaving the (National) post of poet laureate, also tells us that Keely Mills won the local competition. Most of the hits I found were brief mentions in listings pages, pages on myspace, blogspot, etc, or passing mentions of Keely Mills in articles that did not deal extensively with her, this Wikipedia article, etc etc. I myself have won local poetry competitions, but I don't think that makes me notable, and simply giving the winner of the competition a rather grandiose title does not create notability where there would otherwise be none. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked for sources, too, and didn't turn up anything other than what Cunard and JamesBWatson have already mentioned. Uncle G (talk) 02:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of other articles on Peterborough Today. and  seem non-trivial. I'm trying to advise Luke Payn on finding more sources, but I'm by no means an expert. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Keely Mills has appeared at a couple of art exhibitions etc, and the local paper has reported the fact. Is this enough to satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria? WP:AUTHOR gives a list of criteria, including "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews", and "The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries". I don't see Keely Mills as satisfying any of the criteria. A few reports in one local newspaper of her taking place in a small local exhibition etc do not begin to approach "has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews", and taking part in one temporary local exhibition falls well short of "is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". JamesBWatson (talk)
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