Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keenan Hall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Keenan Hall

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Was AfD'd back in 2013, and nothing really has changed since then. While it is part of a historic district, it itself is not on the NRHP. Currently the vast majority of the article is primary sourced, and there is not enough in-depth coverage to pass GNG. Part of several articles all dealing with residence halls at Notre Dame. I'll be sending them to AfD, but did not feel bundling was appropriate, since all should be evaluated individually.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not appropriate. Test maybe one, see if everyone agrees or everyone disagrees with you, before wasting lots of editors' time.
 * To AFD partipants and potential closers, please see, at least (and please notify all of us of any more):
 * Articles for deletion/Alumni Hall (University of Notre Dame) (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Badin Hall (University of Notre Dame) (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Keenan Hall
 * Articles for deletion/Carroll Hall (University of Notre Dame)
 * --Doncram (talk) 05:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:25, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:25, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to University of Notre Dame residence halls. There is no reason for a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The residential college is in itself notable. In particular, the Keenan Revue is one of the largest student events at the University of Notre Dame and has been featured on national publications. The building was built by noted firm Ellerbe Becket. Eccekevin (talk) 17:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to University of Notre Dame residence halls: Article does not have SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. None of the above keep votes have been able to show this has SIGCOV or any reason based in guidelines why this should be a stand alone article. The building does not inherit notability from the area it is in or subjects it is associated with. The OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument above is invalid. The keep claims have to resort to OTHERSTUFF exists or inherited notability claims which shows clearly there is no SIGCOV or support in guidelines. This is one of 31 halls, by the above reasoning all these buildings would be notable, even though they do not have SIGCOV. If IS RS with SIGCOV can be found, the subject is best covered in the target.  // Timothy :: talk  09:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not true, the article is full of sources that describe the topics and provide SIGCOV. The Keenan Revue alone has attracted media attention.   The sports team has been reviewed by the Chicago Tribune . The art present in the hall, work of Ivan Mestrovic, also has been covered.  In addition there are plenty sources on that talk about its history.     More coverage has also been provided by the Observer, Alumnus, and Notre Dame Magazine, and Scholastic (all sourced on page). None of there is affiliated with Hall, hence they are independent per WP:SIGCOV since "For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent". Finally, I do not know what you are saying with OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Eccekevin (talk) 09:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Note to closer about canvasing: Unfortunately Eccekevin is canvasing for participation in this AfD. ,.  // Timothy :: talk  10:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not canvassing, I am reaching out to project members for help collecting sources in line with WP:APPNOTE. Eccekevin (talk) 20:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Comment The Keenan Revue alone has attracted independent media attention, including from Newsweek, the South Bend Tribune, Washington Monthly, Arizona Daily Star, The Courier-Journal, Her Campus, and others. The sports team has been reviewed by the Chicago Tribune .Eccekevin (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect, since this dorm is 'newer' and not part of the NRHP district, I can see that it may be redirected. However, the statue/sculptures in the dorm are made by a famous artist. Funandtrvl (talk) 18:06, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: None of the above sources is about the subject of the article Keenan Hall, so they definitely do not contain SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. At this point the creator is just spaming refs to disrupt the AfD.  // Timothy :: talk  20:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you read the sources? They are all about Keenan Hall and its signature event the Keenan Revue, which is a huge part of Keenan Hall's history. So of course its direct and SIGCOV. Eccekevin (talk) 20:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I have. Others will as well and if they agree any of the articles you list have SIGCOV that addresses the subject directly (ie: Kenan Hall, not things related to it) and indepth (not a brief mention or just stating the name) they can list them for others to consider.  // Timothy :: talk  21:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You must have missed the first two then, which are both entire pieces dedicated to Keenan Hall and its Revue. And the many other sources are also discussing its long history.Eccekevin (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Editors and the closer will examine the references you added and can state which they feel directly address the subject (Kenan Hall) and also have indepth coverage of the subject {Kenan Hall). You indicate the first two references are your strongest, so that will even make it easier for editors to examine. I think they will see none of them have direct and indepth coverage of the subject and are just ref spam.  // Timothy :: talk  21:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Very good and interesting article, same as twenty or so similar ones dealing with University of Notre Dame residence halls. Why should some of the residence halls be merged or redirect and make the cover article "University of Notre Dame residents halls" kilometers long and vast (with 1 million bytes maybe)? Note: I was NOT canvassed. -- Silve ''' rije 01:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Looks like this is your first time at AfD, you picked an interesting time and place to start.  // Timothy :: talk  01:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * How is this relevant? Your reaction is much more interesting. I'd say: rather sad and disappointing. -- Silve ''' rije 21:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep passes GNG as notable building w/ satisfactory refs.19:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Well-sourced article on an historic building. I can't see any useful reason for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:54, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. As for the other similar AFD.  And again i was not reached by any canvassing, I just occasionally check Category:AfD debates (Places and transportation). --Doncram (talk) 05:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.