Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keif Llama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 17:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Keif Llama
nn comic book character. Prod deleted. Google shows 610 total hits, including wikis, false positives etc. &rArr;    SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  02:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Amcfreely 03:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. — TKD::Talk 03:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete ASAP. Who writes these things? NTK 05:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. --Ter e nce Ong [[Image:Flag of Singapore.svg|30px]] 06:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom.  K ilo-Lima|(talk) 10:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Creator Matt Howarth is a quite notable comics writer/artist and musician, if something of a cult figure, with almost 100,000 Google hits. Subject of article may not among his major work, but even minor works by notable creator are generally treated as notable. Comic was published mostly pre-Internet, and apparently would meet 5K audience standard; TPBs still in print and sold by publisher. . Nominations like this are bad practice, and the resulting deletions damage the Wikipedia project. We have gotten to a cultural state where "Gee, I never heard of this" seems to be a good enough excuse to nominate something for deletion, RATHER THAN raising legitimate issues on the talk page first to see if anyone can help improve the article. In this case, the nominator should have said "Gee, I never heard of Keif Llama or Matt Howarth, and I looked in Google and found only n listings for the character, so I wonder if there's a problem here. Then, pop a note on the talk page. "Hey everybody, I don't know much about comics, but I never heard of this guy and had trouble verifying the information. It's probably my own lack of searching skills, so I wonder if anyone can help me out here. Is this article as good as it could be?" Monicasdude 15:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- and suggest commenter above look into anger-management sessions. Bad for the blood pressure, you know. --Calton | Talk 15:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Voting strong delete for both this article and Monicasdude editing ability. The claim that "even minor works by notable creator are generally treated as notable" is absolute and utter nonsense. Minor works most certainly are not notable, hence the term "minor". DreamGuy 21:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. "Minor," in the context of a notable artist's work, doesn't mean non-notable. Dickens' minor novels, Shakespeare's minor plays, hundreds if not thousands of albums minor albums from popular music artists all have entries. Not to mention 395 species of Pokemon characters, which hardly anybody thinks are "major". You might consider reviewing the applicable notability guidelines, not to mention WP:CIVIL and perhaps even WP:DICK. Monicasdude 03:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Harr o 5 05:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Matt Howarth != William Shakespeare. Minor character in two minor (six-issue) comic series, neither of which have their own articles. Stifle (talk) 14:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.