Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keigo Moriyasu (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Keigo Moriyasu
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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Subject has not played in a fully professional league and has not represented his nation at senior or Olympic level. Philippines league only professional starting 2019. This article was only deleted a few weeks ago and the subjects notability has not changed since then. Simione001 (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per nominator. Meatsgains (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL; and SALT. GiantSnowman 14:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Keigo Moriyasu has played in the Philippines Football League which is listed in WP:FPL and not Philippine Premier League which is listed only from 2019.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm very confused... GiantSnowman 07:36, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It is indeed somewhat confusing. It appears that a mistake has been made. He does appear to have played in a professional league. Simione001 (talk) 11:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL and likely WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 08:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:NFOOTY has played in the Philippines Football League which is listed  as a fully Professional League  as per this .Further player is 25 years old and currently playing.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – I cannot find significant coverage to satisfy GNG, just brief mentions and game reports like and . – Levivich  20:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Update: the two Japanese sources posted below have only a few short paragraphs about the player and don't count as SIGCOV in my view. – Levivich  22:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This simply isn't true. Neither have short paragraphs - both contain about 30 sentences and 550 to 600 words. Lengths isn't a criteria in itself, but these aren't brief 3-paragraph articles with 6 sentences in total. Both articles are entirely about Keigo Moriyasu. Both are significant coverage. The claim that there's nothing but just brief mentions and game reports is absolutely false. Nfitz (talk) 05:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Levivich Can you clarify why you are arguing that these 550 to 600 30-sentance articles are too short, when at Articles for deletion/Callum McCowatt (2nd nomination) you have sinced used 200 to 300 word 10-14 sentence articles as proof of GNG? Nfitz (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. I said have only a few short paragraphs about the player. The Nikkan article has 175 words about the player (Google translate):
 * The Hochi News article has 135 words about the player (Google translate):
 * The rest is about the team, the league, and his father, or is a quote from the player, usually about his father, or something like "I will try my best to be able to win in the cup game" and "I enjoy soccer". Compare that with the sources for Callum McCowatt like (700 words) and  (600 words). Those aren't really the most in-depth articles I've ever seen, but there are like half a dozen articles about McCowatt, each 500 words or more with independent journalistic reporting (e.g., statements of fact in the publication's own voice, quotes from other people about the player), which made me !vote keep. Because we don't have that here for Moriyasu, I !voted delete. – Levivich  18:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You explicitly said that and  met GNG, despite being 200 to 300 word 10-14 sentence articles. They are less detailed than the Japanese sources you reject here. Don't point to other sources ... I'm asking about these. Why are those two English sources good, when the Japanese ones aren't? Nfitz (talk) 00:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That’s not accurate–I posted six sources for McCowatt, not two–and this page is for discussing Moriyasu’s notability, not McCowatt’s (and it’s not for discussing Levivich’s AfD !votes, either). – Levivich 14:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You explicitly stated that those two sources were good for GNG. Even the other 4 are no longer than these, which are entirely about Moriyasu, despite your attempt to spin it otherwise. Moriyasu’s notability has been clearly established. Nfitz (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I never said in the McCowatt AfD that those two sources, alone, meet GNG; I said that six sources, together, suggest GNG is met. You're arguing that the two worst sources I put forward for McCowatt are about the same as the two best sources you put forward for this AfD–I agree and that's why I !voted keep over there and delete over here. If you have any other questions about my !votes, please use my user talk page. – Levivich 15:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree with you. In particular your assertion that the paragraphs in these two paragraphs are too short. They are 5-6 sentence paragaphs, with 600 or so words in 30 or so sentences! That's no worse than the best source at McCowatt - let alone the worst source over there. These are both excellent GNG sources! You are inventing policy! Nfitz (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm saying the Nikkan article has 175 words about the player, and the Hochi News article has 135, and I cut-and-pasted those words above (about half of which are quotes from the subject and thus shouldn't really count as "independent")... if you're saying there's more than that, consider cut-and-pasting the additional words here. – Levivich 16:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you are wrong in your count, and are dismissing the bulk of the article, which is also about the player. in my opinion GNG is met with this SIGCOV. Nfitz (talk) 19:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm saying the Nikkan article has 175 words about the player, and the Hochi News article has 135, and I cut-and-pasted those words above (about half of which are quotes from the subject and thus shouldn't really count as "independent")... if you're saying there's more than that, consider cut-and-pasting the additional words here. – Levivich 16:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you are wrong in your count, and are dismissing the bulk of the article, which is also about the player. in my opinion GNG is met with this SIGCOV. Nfitz (talk) 19:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep not only does it pass WP:NFOOTBALL but if you search Japanese news sources, it meets WP:GNG with this and this - which shouldn't be surprising when you look at who his father is! I've added sources to article. Nfitz (talk) 18:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – Not sure if I'm allowed a vote as creator of the page, but Moriyasu clearly passes WP:NFOOTBALL as he appeared in the 2018 Philippines Football League, a professional league as of WP:FOOTY. I have added a handful of sources which I deem sufficient enough to assure that this article passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Can someone please explain exactly how this article fails to show Moriyasu has played football at a professional level? Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:18, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Update: vote cast Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 05:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For clarity, both the Philippines Football League and the Philippine Premier League are listed as professional leagues. The PPL was due to replace the PFL in 2019, but only lasted one match day before being folded, with the country reverting back to the PFL, still a professional league. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:20, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging the participants of the previous AfD a few weeks ago. – Levivich  22:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Note the claim the subject fails WP:NFOOTY is erroneous even in the previous AFD and here .Subject passes WP:NFOOTY.  A creator of a page is entitled to cast one vote in an AFD just like any other editor. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm going to have to disagree here as it seems like the player has played in the professional league in the Philippines which does satisfy WP:NFOOTBALL and with the additions of the references might also satisfy WP:GNG. HawkAussie (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep NFOOTY passed recently, arguably passes GNG. It also seems the nomination was a mistake due to the PFL/PPL confusion, which I can understand. R96Skinner (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Because the subject was a player in a professional league, I'd say this article should be kept. Cosmic Sans (talk) 15:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


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