Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keith Frazier


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  Rcsprinter  (gas)  19:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Keith Frazier

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Alex says this is a "Bad faith PROD" when it is clearly no such thing. This article makes no assertions of the subject's notability. Alex is being pointy. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And you're specifically targeting my articles and nominating them en masse isn't being "POINTy"? Clearly, you are trying to send some sort of message, whatever that may be, by your actions. Alex (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am trying to delete articles on subjects that I do not believe are notable. I'm looking to yours specifically because of your track record. I'll admit I should've gone slower. The newest ones you've dePRODed won't be brought here for a little while. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And I too am trying to delete articles that I don't feel are notable. No points are being made. Alex (talk) 18:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are indeed making good faith nominations, then you need a serious lesson on GNG before nominating another article. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Spent four years in the PCL, which at the time was a quasi-major league. Alex (talk) 00:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It either is a major league or is not. The PCL has never been recognized as a major league. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Haven't evaluated it, but I do find some non-trivial coverage (some of it under his nickname "Red" Frazier) including this, this, this, this book on the history of the PCL during World War II. Cbl62 (talk) 04:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete despite poor afd reasoning... this guy doesn't seem notable. Spanneraol (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Another article randomly nominated for deletion by User:Muboshgu of a very salvagable article. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The news coverage he got in the 1930's and 1940's is all that matters. Everything I click on requires payment to read, but the summaries in the news search results seem notable.   D r e a m Focus  21:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - The PCL was never a major league. But it was the top professional league over 2/3 of the US at the time Frazier played there, and it was not just a development league. And Frazier played for the Toronto Maple Leafs in the IL when the IL was the top baseball league in Canada.  As such, these leagues were probably more notable than many current top professional leagues.  In addition to the sources from Dream Focus, I found a couple more not spectacular ones like this. Rlendog (talk) 14:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Probably more notable than many current top professional leagues" is a false argument. Either a league is recognized as a "major league" or it is not. The PCL has never been recognized as such. It has always been a minor league. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that it has never been recognized as a major league. That does not mean that this minor league at this time was more notable than most major leagues outside the US are today. Rlendog (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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