Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keith Kahn-Harris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Passes WP:ACADEMIC #1; can be reworked to be less promotional. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Keith Kahn-Harris

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Appears to fail WP:ACADEMIC. Previously speedy-deleted, page created by a possible sock-puppet of an indef-blocked promotional account. MikeWazowski (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet any of the criteria of WP:ACADEMIC.  NtheP (talk) 15:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I had initially nominated the page for deletion via WP:PROD with the same rationale as above. TeaganK (talk) 16:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: the latest contributor is indeed blocked as a sock; the current article is just different enough for me to not delete it as a recreation, though YMMV, passing admin. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:36, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete This is a genuine and accurate article about the most important demographer in the Jewish community in Britain. Kahn-Harris is well known and highly respected in his field and I do not understand why this has been marked for deletion. I have quoted him in my own publications and he is often noted in secondary sources. 11 July, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greystar (talk • contribs) 20:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment This article is part of a number of edits all connected to Hodder (the publishers) involving one account that I blocked and the sock blocked by Drmies. Going through the references here, the first is a profile (not a reliable sources), and the second is a name in a list; the third doesn't mention the subject; the fourth is be the subject, and cannot establish notability; the fifth, I regard as a possible source for notability - but only just (and others may disagree); the sixth and seventh are a profile, and so is the seventh. The list looks impressive, but contains only one of what I would consider a possible reliable source - which refers to a book not discussed in the article - possibly because it is published by Berg rather than Hodder. I notice that the publisher is only named in the list here for one book. I may be cynical - what the heck, I am cynical. I would note, by the way, that the enthusiastic post above is (to my surprise) not by an SPA but is by an editor who first edited in 2007 and has made few but apparently sound edits which do not seem to be connected to Hodder. (My apologies for suspecting the worst...) Peridon (talk) 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I am Keith Kahn-Harris. I did not write this page but I have been made aware of the deletion discussion. I could of course edit the entry to respond to Peridon's (reasonable) critique. However, I understand that it is not my role to do this! My status as an academic and writer is sufficient to meet Wikipedia standards for inclusion, but it's difficult for me to prove this! Please look at my website kahn-harris.org for more info. Could someone let me know what I can do to ensure that the entry for me is unmarked for deletion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.7.185 (talk) 10:50, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Keith Kahn-Harris is a reputable scholar, who has authored several books and research reports, has co-written the only contemporary sociological study of British Jewry, is a regular media commentator on his areas of specialism (popular music and the Jewish community), writes regularly for periodicals such as The Guardian, Jewish Chronicle, Jewish Quarterly and New Statesman. So, not the most notable of academics, but sufficiently for a Wikipedia article.BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Further to my statement, have looked again at WP:ACADEMIC. The subject meets a couple of the criteria, of which only one is needed.1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. The article needs citations to show this better, but Kahn-Harris has made significant impact on sociology of Jewishness and popular music studies. There are plenty of book reviews that could show this in scholarly journals, as I saw from glancing at Google Scholar. So, citations needed rather than AFD. 7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. KKH's media profile shows this. When I have time, am happy to do some research to add citations. BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Editing an article about one's self is not forbidden, so long as the editing doesn't introduce promotional material, or remove referenced material that the subject doesn't like. There is no problem about bringing better references to the table here - believe me, they are needed for a clear showing of notability. No matter how many people come here and shower praises on the subject, if there are no references in reliable independent sources WP:RS that back this fulsome praise up then their time is wasted. Don't just say he's the best thing since the Exodus from Egypt - give us evidence. I am also going to suggest that either the publishers of all three listed books be named, or the one that is should have that name removed. This is in the interest of avoiding an appearance of advertising by that publisher. Peridon (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:PROF criterion #1 (significant impact in scholarly discipline, broadly construed). Most widely held book in libraries (co-edited), After subculture: Critical studies in contemporary youth culture, currently in more than 320 libraries worldwide according to WorldCat. This book has over 190 citations on GS. I wonder if COI is really at play here; this book was no even listed in the article until I edited it a few minutes ago. Also has other books of solid impact.--Eric Yurken (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The author of the article seemed rather keen on promoting Hodder publications and authors (and a small number of others). There's no suggestion (on my part at least) that the subject of the article has been involved in the creation of the article. Peridon (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per Eric Yurken above. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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