Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keith Quinn (footballer)


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The result was keep. Star  Mississippi  02:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Keith Quinn (footballer)

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As far as I can tell, he never played a competitive game for either Sheffield United or Central Coast Mariners, only playing for League of Ireland teams which is not listed as a fully professional league.

From the page history, it seems this article was created back in 2007 when he was just a Sheffield United youth player, so it would never have met today's notability criteria to be created.

Player is not listed on English National Football Archive so never played a first-team game for Sheffield United, and I can't find him on http://www.aleaguestats.com/index.html or https://www.ultimatealeague.com/ for Central Coast Mariners Nonleagueapps (talk) 09:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 21:02, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources below and article improvement. GiantSnowman 17:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Source analysis please Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 19:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - While the subject may not fully meet WP:CRIM or WP:NSPORT alone, a WP:BEFORE search returns (to my reckoning) sufficient coverage (in both spheres) to warrant an article. (While WP:NFOOTY criteria has recently changed [previously being "played in top-level fully pro league"], I've often wondered if we forget to look at WP:SIGCOV and lean on "never played a competitive game in [EFL Championship/Premiership]" type "participation" criteria. Certainly the nomination only refers to a "participation in games" style rationale. As if coming on in the last 90 seconds of a single Sheffield United game would've flipped the notability switch one way or the other. Anyway, based on the sports pages and courts pages coverage, mine is a "keep" recommendation). Guliolopez (talk) 23:44, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep All the sources together, although weak, they build a picture which to me does pass GNG. Govvy (talk) 07:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Guliolopez is right, WP:SIGCOV is what we should be looking at. I do however feel that Quinn's case is rather weak. This is the best source that I can find before his 2020 arrest for heroin trafficking. There are several stories that mention him following the arrest, but I wasn't really able to find a source that goes into the subject in detail. He does however get mentioned alot more than the others involved in the case, seemingly as he was a professional footballer, albeit not a notable one, and due to having two famous brothers. Alvaldi (talk) 10:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. While I'm unclear what "source analysis" is required (beyond the discussion above on what has been found and added to the article as part of WP:BEFORE), I would note that there are several RS news sources in "courts pages" and "sports pages". Each covering the subject as a primary topic. In terms of the "courts" coverage, we have the stuff covering charge, sentencing, jailing, appeal and beyond. In terms of "sports pages" there is stuff from short bios to typical transfer news and points in between. While, as several contributors here have noted, the sports coverage is not overwhelming on its own (being the type of transfer, short bio, interviews in match-buildup type stuff common enough for pro-footballers in pro-leagues), and the courts coverage also not overwhelming on its own, when taken together it builds to a picture of SIGCOV/notability. (In short, if the subject had 'only' been a drug traffiker OR had 'only' been a pro footballer, then notability would probably be questionable. But, both together attracted coverage sufficient to meet the criteria.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:13, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the sources that have been added. Can revisit his opinion above, now that more sources have come to light? Nfitz (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG. We have a non notable footballer (who escaped the attention of the "delete fails FOOTBALL" editors) and a non notable drug trafficker who fails WP:CRIME. The crime related coverage is routine stuff the majority of crimes get in the press. Also they focus on the legal process and provide no significant coverage of Quinn. When the keeps are relying on a lenient sentence being successfully appealed for GNG then that just shows the weakness of their arguments. The bar a criminal needs to clear for a Wiki page is a high one and Quinn doesn't even get off the ground. Dougal18 (talk) 11:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


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