Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kell Tainer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was ehhh, we'll call it a keep. If any of y'all want to merge it now, there's nothing stopping you. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 08:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Kell Tainer
Star Wars Expanded Universe "character". I highly suspect this is pure fan-fic, but I cannot say for certain that nothing is mergeable, so I bring it here for more eyes to see. Xoloz 04:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Pilot in Wraith Squadron. Not a fan-fic character, major focus of one Star Wars: X-wing (series) book, main character of another two X-Wing books, and relatively major character in two New Jedi Order books. However, the article is a Fate-damned mess. Redirect to Wraith Squadron, what we need to know about the character is already there. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 05:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If this article is tidied up by a more diligent Wraith fan than I, and in the process the shine of an encyclopedic article that far outstrips the content in the Wraith Squadron article is revealed, consider my vote to be changed to a full Keep. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 05:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wraith Squadron. Flyboy Will 05:10, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment And I'm vehemently opposed to a Kell Tainer ever getting his own article. Fictional characters on the magnitude of Shylock or Raskolnikov deserve their own pages; characters from niche books with minor circulation deserve no more than a section in a list. The only people who ever want information on this are the people who already know everything on them. Most importantly, this all falls under the Original Research label. I don't suppose there have been any legitimate literary studies of Kell Tainer as a character. I know the precedent so far has been in favor of Pokemon characters and video game weapons keeping their articles, and I couldn't disagree with that more. Flyboy Will 05:17, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment needs to be broken into digestible paragraphs, have linkage and citations from a published work. Endomion 05:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep A notable Expanded Universe character. The article needs definite cleanup and wikification, but the basic subject of the article is appropriate.  Possibly consider Merge contents into List of minor Rebel characters in Star Wars --Wingsandsword 09:02, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think Wraith Squadron would be a better merge target; the basic info's already there. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 09:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per User:Wingsandsword VegaDark 10:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I appear to be the diligent fan I was waiting for. There's some decent info here, and there's no way we can tamp it down to fit into Wraith Squadron or any other article. Changing vote to full Keep. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 07:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the article could be skimmed down, retaining relevant information, and merged back into Wraith Squadron. Take the Profile section: it could easily be edited down to "Kell Tainer, a large, handsome pilot…" And, given the fact that Kell Tainer is a relatively minor character in the grand scheme of Star Wars, his history could easily be skimmed down to a few important details as well. – Mipadi 04:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair call. I just took the mess and made it easy to read. I'd support a merge and redirect back into Wraith Squadron as a second option, if it helps establish consensus. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 06:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wraith Squadron. He's a real character and already had information posted on the Wraith Squadron page. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, but I'm against giving every "major" character in the Star Wars universe his own page. I agree with Flyboy Will: a character such as Princess Leia or Luke Skywalker deserves his or her own article because that character is not only important in the Star Wars universe, but is well-known by non-Star Wars fans as well. Kell Tainer, while important in some books (most notably the Wraith Squadron and New Jedi Order novels), is not notable or important enough to warrant a separate article. – Mipadi 04:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.