Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelle Marie (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Kelle Marie
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Fails WP:PORNBIO as she has not won "a well-known and significant industry award, or has been nominated for such an award several times." In addition,I belive her appearance in  Andrew Blake 2003 film Hard Edge, ranked by AVN as one of the 500 Greatest Adult Films of All Time. cannot be considered starring in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature. Finnegas (talk) 17:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC) *Um...doesn't your last sentence suggest that the article shouldn't be deleted? Anyway, keep. The scene-related nomination does not pass WP:PORNBIO, but...the two Penthouse Pet appearance should pass WP:BIO, not to mention that the most recent appearance was runner-up for Pet of the Year.  Erpert  WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 08:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Where in WP:BIO does being a Penthouse Pet make you notable?
 * Where in WP:BIO does it say it doesn't? It isn't going to list every single possibility for notability, but it will definitely list exclusions, and that isn't one of them.  Erpert  WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 06:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was removed from PORNBIO years ago, by consensus, and attempts to reinstate it failed. Dead issue. If you don't think that the removal demonstrates the point, you're likely at odds with every reasonable editor on the project. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Finnegas (talk) 17:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was removed from PORNBIO years ago, and attempts to reinstate it failed. Dead issue. If you don't think that the removal demonstrates the point, you're likely at odds with every reasonable editor on the project. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 September 10.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 18:02, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 23:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Northamerica1000(talk) 23:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes Erpert Thanks for pointing that out to me.'I have corrected it. Finnegas (talk) 16:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I havfe grave difficulty in seeing anything notable in the BIO. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - FYI, I have made some edits to the article in question since this original AfD nomination. The subject here has "starred in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" ("the Andrew Blake 2003 film Hard Edge") and "has been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media" (Penthouse, Playboy TV, the Howard Stern show & "the documentary series Vivid Valley"). Guy1890 (talk) 22:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that Penthouse & Playboy TV are "mainstream media"?
 * Yes, they are both about as close as most members of the adult film industry get to mainstream coverage. Guy1890 (talk) 23:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Hard Edge did win an AVN in 2004 for Best All Sex Film but I don't consider that enough to establish that it's iconic, groundbreaking, or a blockbuster, neither does being on a 2005 list of 500 best movies. Further AVN does not even mention Marie's role in the film to determine if she actually "starred" in it. Morbidthoughts (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There were only eight people in the movie in question. Of course she starred in it. Guy1890 (talk) 23:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subject fails even a broad and generous reading of PORNBIO, and the reliably sourced biographical content in the article is likely no more than the subject's name and ethnicity. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "and the reliably sourced biographical content in the article is likely no more than the subject's name and ethnicity." Once again, this is nothing more than an "I just don't like the subject matter"-biased opinion. Guy1890 (talk) 00:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete fails the relevant notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, clearly fails general notability guidelines and fails even the notoriously thin "PORNBIO" (and, ceterum censeo, PORNBIO lacks consensus and is invalid anyway.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:PORNBIO is not invalid, no matter how many times you say it.  Erpert  WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 06:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply not notable enough. Neutralitytalk 04:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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