Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelutviaq


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The result was   withdrawn by nominator due to article repair and source improvements. Bearcat (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Kelutviaq

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I'm not sure whether this is a good-faith error or an outright hoax; the source is linked to Google Books but is empty there, so I can't check it. However, the claim that it's played by the "Inuit peoples of Nelson Island, British Columbia" is definitely offside; the island is only just barely removed from being part of Metro Vancouver, so there most certainly aren't any Inuit around there. If this really does exist as a real Inuit instrument, then I'm willing to withdraw the nomination if somebody can properly source where it really belongs geographically — but if a real source doesn't pan out, delete. Bearcat (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver  seren C 00:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I have listed this article for rescue. Silver  seren C 00:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep- I found a source that does verify the claim. Reyk  YO!  07:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep now that a source has been found, but the Nelson Island stuff sounds like nonsense and should be removed -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. The location was probably then in the Northwest Territories and today in Nunavut. Many locations in Nunavut have been renamed, so the place known as Nelson Island may well have a different name today. The Atlas of Canada at http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/search/search_results?expression=Nelson+Island&image2.x=0&image2.y=0 lists three other places named Nelson Island, but none in Nunavut. Eastmain (talk • contribs)  15:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: As it does appear to exist, even though little has been located so far.  As for "Nelson island", I think it actually is supposed to be Nelson Island (Alaska).  See book snippet  identifying Walcott as doing field work on that Nelson Island, and, "In l97l Walcott collected Nelson Island songs, filling twenty-four reels of recording tape, copies of which he deposited with the Eskimo Language Workshop."  That 1971 work may well be "Walcott, Ronald 1971: Mimeographed field notes from Nelson Island. Eskimo Language Workshop, University of Alaska."--Milowent (talk) 02:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, another source snippet from Google says "Kelutviaq. A single-string fiddle used by the Inuit people of south-west Alaska and Nelson Island."--Milowent (talk) 02:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The likely genesis of this instrument is probably related to this, but a subject matter expert would be helpful here!--Milowent (talk) 03:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're most likely right, see also the examples of tautirut and Apache fiddle, other First Nations instruments which were probably derived from fiddles brought by early Europeans. In any case, I hope we've established that the kelutviaq is a real instrument.  I apologise for the weirdness about the location of Nelson Island, but the original reference I found did indeed imply that it was in British Columbia, which I also thought sounded a bit "off".  MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The Kosiv source also says "Alaskan Inuit", so it's rather clear. I think the source that talked about British Columbia just got their places mixed up. :P Silver  seren C 20:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, everyone. I figured that the Alaska island was a possibility, but couldn't find a source on the web to clarify. Consider the nomination withdrawn. Bearcat (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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