Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kemonomimi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep; looks like another snowy day in Chicago... (NAC) flaminglawyer 03:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Kemonomimi

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Purely original research and unverifiable by reliable sources. --Farix (Talk) 23:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Farix (Talk) 23:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * ' Delete' per nom. It also seems to contrast with List of Kemonomimi. Well, I know very few characters on the list and it contradicts there. ~ Itzjustdrama C  ? 23:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn for further examination. I vote too quickly. ~ Itzjustdrama C  ? 23:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The article needs work, but there appear to be a couple sources. Edward321 (talk) 23:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is a stub, but it should easily pass verifiability. じん  ない  00:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. As a result of repeated article splits, a scholarly reference I once added about the origins of this character type has wandered over to List of catgirls. Combined with the first reading, it is clear that this is a subject of academic study and so suitable for an encyclopedia. The lists need sourcing, but I caution against wholesale pruning, as it the characters should be relatively easy to verify. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Then where are the reliable sources? To me, it looks like someone's original research about what they think. And I highly doubt that Christopher Hart's and Gerry Poulos's talks about "Kemonomimi". They are both "how-to" books, one from the "how to draw manga" series and the other from a cosplay construction series, if the summary from Amazon is to be believed. --Farix (Talk) 02:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's verifiable by sourcing the anime and manga which it appears. I wonder did you actually try looking for sources before you nominated? じん  ない  06:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So you are trying to justify original research as a reliable source. Let me point out the statements.
 * Kemonomimi (獣耳 or けものみみ, animal ears?) is an anime and manga terminology describing humanoid characters (most often girls) that possess animal-like features. Unlike kemono characters in traditional japanese [sic] art who appear primarily as animal-like hybrids, kemonomimi characters typically appear human except for added animal-like qualities, such as an added tail and ears(hence the name). Where is the reliable source that states that it is anime and manga terminology? And where is the reliable source that gives the definition?
 * Often, these animal-like characteristics are part of the character's attire and can be removed at will. Where is the source for this statement?
 * Many Animes [sic], Mangas [sic] and japanese [sic] Videogames include a kemonomimi character, often figuring the jester. Not only is the sentence using weasel words, but it to is unsourced and original research. There there any reliable source that backs up any part of the sentence?
 * Often Catgirls and other Kemonomimi serve as mascots or advertising media for Anime Conventions, anime-related websites or other anime-related products Now I know for a fact that this sentence is purely original research, in part because I'm pretty sure the statement is false. But also, the only way one could come up with such a claim is if they looked at the mascots themselves.
 * Many cosplayers take up a kemonomimi template, be it an original creation or a character from an existing anime, manga or video game. On top of it being derived from original reserach, the statement is also too broad. You see some catgirl cosplayers, but that's about it. Kemonomimi =/= just catgirls. Besides, we already have an article on catgirls. So there is no need for a second article.
 * Some Japanese idols are known to show themselves with cat-ears and tail. The US-American Lisa Batey often wears cat-ears in her lifecast named Nekomimi Lisa. Another original research statement. And who is Lisa Batey?
 * Non of these statements can be verified by looking at the anime and manga that contain "kemonomimi characters", as you suggested. --Farix (Talk) 12:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are individual statements, as opposed to the subject as a whole, which is what an AfD is about. In any case, as I said, in the Further Reading section there's sources right there. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've quoted the entire article piece by piece. If all of the pieces are unverifiable and original research, then so is the whole. And the "Further Reading" section aren't sources, they are how to guides for drawing and costuming. But they don't cover the subject itself.
 * Do you have acess to either book yourself to make such a bold claim? Anyway, at the least this possibly might be redirected to Wiktionary as it is a commonly accepted term. じん  ない  23:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * One can draw logical conclusions based on the books' summaries and similar books of their genre. --Farix (Talk) 00:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * here is at least 1 reliable source describing what they are. Since all it took for me to find this was 2 seconds of searching Anime News Network i really think you violated WP:BEFORE. じん  ない  23:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly YOU didn't even read the ANN article. It makes reference to a fictional "Kemonomimi Corporation" as part of a manga plot summary. --Farix (Talk) 00:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly YOU do not know what I did and did not do because I DID read it. Yes it refers to the "corperation" but it also describes what a Kenomomimi is as well. じん  ない  03:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand per Quasirandom, seems to be easily verifiable. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It behoves you not to remove the AFD tag from an article that is still under discussion. --Farix (Talk) 02:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That was an accident on my part. I had accidentally closed the afd because I thought that the nominator had withdrawn, then the servers went down and I forgot to re-add the template. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep  D r e a m Focus  02:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This debate is not a vote; please provide your reasons as to why this article should be kept. AdjustShift (talk) 09:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Same as always. It looks fine to me, I see no reason to delete it.  Its a stub, and should be judged as such.   D r e a m Focus  10:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Just because the article is a stub and needs improvement is not a valid reason to delete. See also, Jinnai's comments. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 07:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Common sense dictates so. Anthropomorphism => Kemono => Kemonomimi. It's need works to avoid Original research and Verifiability issue But This is not Bullshit. Who didn't encounter that kind of characters in manga and anime ? I give you a point about how Kemono, Kemonomimi, Mecha Musume & Moe anthropomorphism should be organized or merged. It must be debated elsewhere as this an Afd discussion. --KrebMarkt 08:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is a poor article, but that should never be the reason to delete an article. This article needs more references, and some work from someone who is familiar with the subject. AdjustShift (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Ok any volunteer to dig the the Ja article or the German article de:Kemonomimi ? The German article back itself with a ref to a German published book That book in Amazon.de --KrebMarkt 13:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Japanese Wikipedia article has no sources and the German article also doesn't have any sources, but points to the German edition of Christopher Hart's How to Draw book for further reading. --Farix (Talk) 13:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Japanese inwiki to English wiki equivalent of Utawarerumono Di Gi Charat Tokyo Mew Mew Fushigiboshi no Futagohime InuYasha Trickster Online as example of kemonomimi. We have also Category:Kemonomimi. I believe all the Anthropomorphism x Anime/manga related articles & categories need a big overhaul. --KrebMarkt 16:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


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