Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Bolam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Wizardman 19:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ken Bolam

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Non-notable composer. IMDB does list some credits, but nothing that would make hum particularly noteworthy. Personal web site lists many more credits, but this is not an independent, reliable source, and it doesn't match up with the IMDB listing very well. No other sources found. I just don't think he clears the notability bar. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I could've accepted this if there was some more detail, but as it stands, we don't even know if he wrote the theme tunes or just incidental music for the shows listed. - Mgm|(talk) 11:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we're suffering from "young article" syndrome here. Never fear, I am a musician and will do my best with the article. Obviously because he is notable! That's the way I see it...Philip Howard (talk) 11:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * And why is that? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 16:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, to take one example only, he wrote the theme tune to the TV cookery programme that has been on in the UK every day for the last 15 years (not counting repeats) - it's something that probably everyone in this country has heard many times. I'm not sure if it's been exported to your part of the world ("Ready Steady Cook", it's called). There's plenty of other credits too, particularly in the last year. I'm just looking for some references. Should be done soon (it takes a lot longer to write them than to template-delete them!) Philip Howard (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have now completed the revamp of the page. Are you happy with the notability yet? (I'm not claiming it's perfect, but just let's discuss whether you still think it should be deleted)Philip Howard (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC) PS TV music (and a lot of film music) is frequently poorly credited so that has been the main problem in finding references for this.


 * Not yet, though you're making progress. References 2, 4 and 5 do not mention Bolam directly, so they unfortunately aren't much help. I understand the problem with music being poorly credited in the UK (not so much here in the USA), but we still have to be able to verify your claims somehow. Keep trying. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 01:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Further to the above, I have added references now so if you'd cast your eye over it that would be great. Thanks for your attention so far! Philip Howard (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Much, much better. At this point I think we definitely have sufficient references, and I'm inclined to withdraw the nomination to delete. I think notability has been proved here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's great. I'd be in favour of that! What do we do next?Philip Howard (talk) 08:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Please could you let me know what I have to do next? Do we need more votes on the deletion or can we just remove the notice? - Thank you very much. Philip Howard (talk) 21:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * An admin takes it from here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, can you suggest a way to make a difference in appearance between "external link that is just a link" (e.g. for something that has no Wikipedia entry) and "external link that refers directly to the subject of the article" (reference)? Or should all ext. links look the same? I'm not sure of the correct procedure. Actually I will check the Help section too. Philip Howard (talk) 11:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There is an entire code that allows automatic formatting of references. Citing sources. Regular links in the external links section can be formatted as this example link. For sources I recommend the citation templates suggested in the help page. - Mgm|(talk) 13:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC) Thank you! Philip Howard (talk) 13:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak keep - has done lots of things which suggest notability, although I'm concerned that despite the good efforts of Philip Howard to find a wide variety of references, all we seem to have are listings or very minor mentions. Warofdreams talk 01:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - enough independent reliable sources sufficient to establish notability. MikeWazowski (talk) 04:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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