Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Cliffe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Thanks to for improving the article. Mojo Hand (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Ken Cliffe

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Fails WP:BIO. One source doesn't scream notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:23, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Newimpartial (talk) 02:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Newimpartial (talk) 02:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - clear WP:NAUTHOR pass as co-author of Ars Magica third edition (1992) and the World of Darkness storyteller book (2004) that launched the reboot of the game line as the "Chronicles of Darkness". The article needs work, but AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Newimpartial (talk) 02:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If he's so significant, how come he's not even mentioned in either article? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Because WP editors are not always very clever? The linkback situation is one I can (and will) fix, but again, AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Newimpartial (talk) 11:47, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There; I have cleaned up the articles slightly for each of the two main publications. Both articles are written in a style that obscures the contributions of authors and line developers, and I haven't fixed that completely, but I also didn't limit myself to Cliffe.
 * I am waiting to see if other editors want to improve the main bio article, but if I see no action in the next 24 hours or so I will do a scrub myself to make the claim to significance (under NAUTHOR) more credible. Newimpartial (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Once-over of bio article done. Newimpartial (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per comments above and WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE, but failing that move to draft to allow for further improvement. BOZ (talk) 21:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per the initiative by Newimpartial. Haleth (talk) 06:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


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