Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Plume


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete, due to the lack of singificant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 09:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ken Plume

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The article is full of inside jokes and little actual content. Yes, he hosts two podcasts and edits SModcast, but I do not believe that that makes him notable enough. The article cites NO sources to verify the subject's notability, Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 15:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually, I take that back. He only hosts ONE podcast. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 15:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * He hosts two pocasts. I think that if someone is going to try and sabotoge Ken Plumes Wikipedia page, they should at least have all of their information correct.  If Rwiggum would get his facts straight, he would realize that Ken Plume has been noted on Kevin Smith's Pocast, Smodcast, as the facts being true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.233.197.201 (talk) 10:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)  —  210.233.197.201 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If you notice, at the time I nominated the article for AfD, the page only listed him as hosting ONE podcast. The second one was added after I posted this. Please stop accusing me of "sabotaging" an article. Please read WP:CIVIL to understand Wikipedia's guidelines on civility. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 14:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering he set up a major site, is running a major site, works for a major podcast and hosts two of his own. I think you might just be a very bitter man to try and delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabinfeveraaron (talk • contribs) 11:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)  — Cabinfeveraaron (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment If you were to read WIkipedia's Biographical notability guidelines, you would see that "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B is not a reason for a standalone article on A". Just because he works for Kevin Smith in some fashion does not make him notable. Also, there are absolutely NO sources with which to prove the subject's notability. Also, according to WP:BIO, "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject." With that in mind, nearly all of the sources provided are rendered invalid, as they are all either from Quickstopentertainment.com, re-posts of articles he has done, or press releases. IMDB does not prove notability, either. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 14:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If examples of his work, press releases, and examples from "other websites than quickstopentertainment" (for example, IMDB) do not count as sources for proof of Mr. Plume's notability, than what does? What exactly is your issue with Ken Plume sir?--ZBarclay (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC) —  ZBarclay (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

CommentI don't see a single "inside joke" in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.88.93 (talk) 17:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC) — 68.193.88.93 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment Rwiggum, I see no reason why Mr. Plume should be deprived of his wikipedia entry, and I can't understand in the least why you seem to have taken such a personal interest in making sure that he is. The page is not "full", as you say, of inside jokes, it contains only facts about Mr. Plume and the various projects that he is involved in. May I ask if getting this taken down is really worth the effort that you're putting into it? I'm sure there are much more questionable articles you could be worrying yourself about. Good day.JamesYates (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment to All I'm unsure as to why everyone seems to think I am "attacking" Mr. Plume. I am a huge SModcast fan, and I do appreciate the work that he puts into the show. However, that appreciation is separate of Wikipedia. He simply has not done enough to be considered "notable". Again, many of the inside jokes were removed after this initial post (however, the last time I checked the "musical talent" section was still there, and has no encyclopedic merit.) Examples of his work do not prove a subject's notability. What DOES prove a subject's notability is significant coverage in multiple, reliable third-party sources. For instance, if there have been articles written about him, that would work. However, an article written about SModcast that mentions him will not count, since it is about the show and not Ken. There are plenty of podcast hosts who do not have their own page, and again, simply having a relation with Kevin Smith does not make Ken Plume notable. If everyone would just read WP:BIO, then a lot of your questions would be answered. Oh, and just because there are "much more questionable articles" does not mean that this article should not be deleted, it's a straw man argument Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 19:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 20:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. per Rwiggum and the fact that notability is not inherited. Tavix (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It seems that the argument has become circular in nature.  Simply restating yourself repeatedly does not make your point valid.  I will respond specifically to the statement that an article that mentions Plume's association with Smodcast does not constitute notoriety.  That statement is false and invalid.  It directly shows his notoriety by showing that he has enough involvement in said project to be mentioned, thus showing proof that he is integral to it's existance, ergo, it is a "notable" statement.  It is a third party article, showing Plume's involvement with a project.  Don't be petty, it's a valid source. --ZBarclay (talk) — ZBarclay (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete as per Rwiggum. - TexMurphy (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete fails both WP:N and WP:V Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - there are no reliable sources to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 12:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no significant or independent sources to establish notability. Shell    babelfish 23:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The Case has been made several times that his relation to Dana Snyder, Doc Hammer and Kevin Smith do not make Ken notable, and that is a fair argument and I don't disagree with this. However, what has not been addressed is how someone who is a famous interviewer, someone who created IGN Filmforce, someone who is the head of a popular website, someone who heads almost every Venture Brothers panel at conventions and someone who hosts two very popular podcasts isn't notable. Once you answer that for me, I'll have no issue with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabinfeveraaron (talk • contribs) 11:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, primarily because there are no reliable, third-party sources to verify any of that. Plus, heading up panels at conventions isn't notable, and heading up QSE isn't, in itself, notable. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 04:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 21:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC) 20:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete I seem to be missing even an assertion of notability. I see a lack of significant media or literary coverage. No enduring contribution or award. Cheers, Dlohcierekim&#39;s sock (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Doing something that no one else does, i.e. being the one and only person to hold said position is the very definition of notable. --ZBarclay (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome aboard. I think you need to read WP:BIO a bit more closely. Being unique need not make one encyclopedic. Cheers, Dlohcierekim&#39;s sock (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment Ken Plume is half of the Ken P.D. Snydecast, one of the best, in my humble opinion, podcasts out there. He founded IGN.com, he edits Quickstop Entertainment. He's done voice work for cartoons. Why is someone targeting Ken for all of this? Too much free time? Knock it off and leave Ken Plume alone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.168.40.4 (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - It should be noted that he did NOT, in fact, found IGN.com. Also, the quality of his work does not denote notability, reliable sources do. This article has been nominated for WELL over a week now, and yet none have been provided. That seems telling. Rwiggum  (<sup style="color:black;">Talk /<sub style="color:black;">Contrib ) 19:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


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