Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kendo Nagasaki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The consensus is a clear keep with edits due on the article. That all can be discussed on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure)  D u s t i *poke* 19:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Kendo Nagasaki

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This piece of synthesis fabricates some sort of overall narrative for a wrestling character which isn't present in any reliable sources. Various different wrestlers adopting the same or similar names does not automatically make said name a gimmick. Dealt with fully in the various articles for the wrestlers in question, along with a note in Peter Thornley detailing the various other wrestlers inspired by his persona. All that is required is for a hatnote on Thornley's article, or at the very most a dab page (though with only two articles with strong claims to be the primary topic, that shouldn't be required). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep -
 * (1) This is how shared/proliferated character/gimmick names are commonly dealt with on wrestling pages - examples: The Hollywood Blondes, Tiger Mask (professional wrestling), Black Tiger (professional wrestling), Moondogs, The Executioners (professional wrestling), Doink the Clown, Lord Humongous.
 * (2) There is no simple case for redirection to Peter Thornley - most American and Japanese wrestling fans are more familiar with the character portrayed by Kazuo Sakurada.  Thumperward/Cunningham assumes a universal predominance of Thornley which simply isn't true.
 * (3)There were more shared aspects of Thornley and Sakurada's "Kendo Nagasaki" than just the name - consider also the wearing of a Kendo Men, the carrying of a weapon (sword/Kendo stick), general samurai image. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 10:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep possibly with edits to first paragraph. I reckon if this page gets made into a redirect there will be the most godawful revert wars between British and American fans! Both convinced that "their" Kendo Nagasaki is the "real" one. Also I can't really see how the article "fabricates some sort of overall narrative". Are you saying that first line implies some sort of kayfabe storyline link between Thornley and Sakurada?  If so perhaps you could suggest a different wording which does not give that impression. 95.144.99.26 (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC) — 95.144.99.26 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep - Just because a wrestling character is played by multiple people doesn't mean it doesn't deserve its own article (IP's top comment has a number of good examples). The article is largely unsourced but here are some sources that do prove Thornley wasn't the only Kendo Nagasaki as well as the similar SMW character.LM2000 (talk) 23:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  15:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  15:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment (That's two relists now, IMHO I don't think trying again is going to do any good.) 62.190.154.115 (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * AfDs generally aren't relisted more than twice. czar   &middot;   &middot;  19:58, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So what's the verdict on this one? It was due yesterday (2 July) 62.190.148.115 (talk) 08:40, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, though possibly gut and turn into a dab page pointing to the wrestlers who have wrestled under the name or persona. Before we can have an article treating these individual portrayals as linked or part of the same gimmick, we need some solid sourcing indicating that they are indeed related. This should be hashed out at the talk page. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 19:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.