Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kennel Club Books (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Lumina Media. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Kennel Club Books
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Unsourced, no obvious sources to add. Google provides a few directories and sales pages, but nothing about the company. Guy (Help!) 00:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Related AfD Articles for deletion/Lumina Media (the parent company). Pinging particpants not already on here:, . Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Lumina Media. I did not find significant coverage of the subject. The article notes: "Los Angeles—based BowTie Inc. is moving aggressively to up its presence in book publishing. The company is already a major publisher of pet and animal magazines through its Fancy Publications division and publishes pet and other books under its BowTie Press imprint. Last week, BowTie completed the acquisition of Kennel Club Books, a publisher that specializes in dog breed books, and BowTie chairman Norman Ridker told PW another acquisition of a pet book publisher is expected this week." BowTie Inc. is the predecessor to Lumina Media. I added this information to the article. Cunard (talk) 09:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Merge/redirect  Atsme|undefined Talk 📧 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC) - fails WP:GNG, no independent RS to establish N.  Press releases released by the company do not pass GNG, and neither does passing mention in unreliable sources.  The simple fact that the company existed does not guarantee inclusion in WP. Atsme  Talk 📧 12:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Adding my thoughts for merging/redirecting - the merge should include a section about Kennel Club Books, taking into consideration the discussion at WP:RS/N with regards to context for each of their published books since not all of the information in the books they published can be corroborated/verified by (a) long-established, notable breed registries, (b) well-maintained historic documentation and pedigrees by long-established notable breed clubs, and/or (c) scientifically documented evidence, such as DNA mapping. Further consideration should include the qualifications of the authors, some of whom do not qualify beyond "pet enthusiast".  Citations are missing in the books I've reviewed; therefore, it is important to make note when that occurs so our readers are not misled.  People tend to believe that if a book or publisher is included in WP, it is a sign of legitimacy across the board. Atsme  Talk 📧 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: (1) It would be inappropriate to add some sort of "disclaimer" to an article about a publisher in order to denigrate one or more of their books or authors based on your own research. You would have to have another RS citation about the author/book/publisher in order to add such a disclaimer. (2) Evaluation of the entirety of each and every book that is otherwise deemed a reliable source is not required. Wikipedia editors have guidelines to determine whether or not something is a RS or not, and generally if it is "published" and has been through a process of "editorial review" then we can deem it sufficient for WP RS purposes. (3) Canine DNA testing was not around during the time of the writing of the book about which you are concerned (Bully Breeds by David Harris). (4) A breed registry (such as AKC/UKC/KC) is only ONE source of information about a breed; it is not the primary/senior/expert source from which all other writings are to be judged, and without whose coroboration all other sources are to be excluded from Wikipedia as unreliable/false/questionable. Normal Op (talk) 19:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Lumina Media. Prolific enough for a mention on parent company's article. According to Open Library, Kennel Club Books has 312 works published between 1984 and 2012. According to the 2004 archived version of the Kennel Club Books website, "Kennel Club Books was formed for the purpose of specializing in the publication of pet books", planned to publish an entire series of 377 titles on breeds,  and was releasing six new books a month.  Books by this publisher are mentioned in 39 Wikipedia articles.  Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: A discussion about the publisher Kennel Club Books just took place on the Reliable Source noticeboard. Current link: Archived link (in case it has moved off the board): . Pinging participants not already here: . Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Lumina Media — assuming that isn't deleted, which it shouldn't be. Carrite (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Notice was made to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs Atsme Talk 📧 14:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge with Lumina Media due to lack of significant coverage/significance.Knox490 (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.