Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenneth Christiansen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Kenneth Christiansen
I’m a little unsure here. I personally have no problem with notable personas adding themselves to wiki as an entry. But this entry strikes me as pure vanity, would be better suited on his user page. This is an entry added by the person in question, himself (the ip traces to Groningen, Netherlands, which is also where he says he is in his blog). Now google does give hits, but they are all of no substance, all entries in Google are basically by himself. I find no external source confirming or even talking about his “fame”. I must say I do believe this is vanity in its pures form. Twthmoses 23:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable vanity article. No case!  freshgavin TALK  05:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Should we also delete all the articles written by someone and that only one or two persons read? Read my comments on Kenneth below. F Alphonso 08:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (still) - This makes me laugh a little. I am sorry for this. Having your “friends” come in a confirm you, well… don’t insult my intelligence. I still don’t see anything, whatsoever, that valid this as an entry in an encyclopedia. There are 10-of-millions of people like you. GNOME developer, GNOME membership, doing a little language, studied at DIKU and Groningen university... ok that narratives it down to, I don’t know, say 100 million people, the likes of you. What have you done? Have you been in the news?, on TV?, are you the man in the GNOME universe? Have you written a book?, build something notable? Invented something? What is you claim to fame that sets you apart from the other 100 million like you? I’m sorry this is not personally, but my initial assessment still stands and any doubt I might have had initially has now vanished but the sheer drive to try to confirm notability displayed here, undoubtful by the person himself, and still nothing of any substance has emerged. Twthmoses 15:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity nn.  Grue   16:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Reluctantly delete; appears to fail guidelines laid out at WP:BIO. All his activities are noble and worthy, but mere accretion of minor accomplishments cannot compensate for the lack of any one truly notable achievement. He looks like the sort likely to go on to great things, so maybe we can look forward to seeing a viable article on him here in a few years? Haeleth 17:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Undecided Hmm, I think GNOME would have been a lot further if they had 100 million developers =) Also, I would say mastering Low Saxon is something, if he indeed does that. I am sure you can count the number of foreigners who speak Low Saxon on one hand. --Daniel Kim
 * Hmm… another new user, who’s first and only act (so far), is to respond to this thread. Hmm funny. Anyway. Try to understand this. I did not mean that there are 100 million GNOME programmers /Developers, I mean there is easy 100 million that is equal unique in their field of work / interest. It is no problem factoring any person down to uniqueness. I speak Danish, there are not 10 million people in the world that does that. I speak Funen; we are under the 500.000 mark now. I’ve stood at the top of the Great Ziggurat of UR in Iraq. There are probably not even 50 people in the world with these 3 simple criteria combined. Am I unique enough now? Unfortunately it is not uniqueness that counts, it is notability. Twthmoses 20:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Let me just throw in a few words now this is about me. Me and a friend one day looks on wikipedia and finds people that I know listed like for instance Dave Camp, and my friend asks if he can add me and I say yes. A few days later he actually does so, me knowing as he asks me for specific data. The page is soon marked for deletion and some kind of conspiracy starts. If it doesn't live up to the guidelines, it should not be here, agree. Haeleth put this very well in a non-discriminating way, thanks. When people write to me in the tone you do, it is not so weird that I get shocked and show the conversation to some of my friends, who then happen to reply. No big conspiracy here. Cheers, Kenneth.
 * Userfy. This is an interesting page, but is a user page not an encyclopedia article; vanity info, current events referred to without dates, etc. -- Corvus 05:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment from SCunningham

I can confirm that the description fits with the person I know. I don't know about all the details but I can confirm that he at least speaks the languages mentioned and i can say that is all true. (scunningham@terra.com.br)

Comment from the author of the page

O.K. I am a close friend (Thijs Boersma - thijs.boersma@gmail.com) of the person in question and made the page for him as he has done a lot of things and we are proud of him. I have mostly worked with him on language related projects, and I know him because he lives in the house next to. These links given here are just to confirm the points given in the article.

Language related:


 * Reading the this mailing list it should be clear that he supports minority languages and speaks many as well. http://www.lowlands-l.net http://www.lowlands-l.net/anniversary
 * The author Johan Veenstra should be able to confirm him working with him. (http://www.johan-veenstra.nl) - he also links to him on his page
 * He one of the authors of the ANS spelling for Low Saxon: http://ans.phileon.nl/ (which is used on www.lowlands-l.net various places)
 * Reading the gnome i18n mailing list it should be clear that he used to be one of the GNOME Translation Project coordinators.
 * From his webpage it is clear that he writes in various languages.
 * Making locales for minority languages: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-glibc/2004-01/msg00019.html
 * He made a page about languages in the netherlands with his friend Mathieu van Woerkom http://taal.phileon.nl/eng/index.php
 * Member of the Group that coordinates all translation to Danish of free software (The group was started by him and Keld Simonsen - a guy known for his works with standards and getting æ approved as part of ascii, if I am now wrong): http://www.dansk-gruppen.dk/index.php?ID=37&lang=da


 * Most language things he did he didn't do online. Do you want me to give you email addresses of people who can confirm? Reinhard Hahn (sassisch@yahoo.com), Abel Darwinkel (a.darwinkel@pbcdrenthe.nl), Mathieu van Woerkom (mathieuvw@gmail.com). I can supply more addresses if needed.

School related:


 * This link confirms that she studied at DIKU (Institute for computer science at University of Copenhagen) http://www.diku.dk/aktiviteter/20050622-bachelor.pdf
 * Proof of studying in Germany http://intranet.ifis.uni-passau.de/db/personen?who=Christiansen
 * The articles on his webpage shows that he studies in Groningen at the university

GUADEC 2001:


 * http://guadec.klid.dk/info/ http://mail.gnome.org/archives/guadec-list/2001-February/msg00000.html

He is a GNOME developer:


 * Has a GNOME membership: http://cvs.gimp.org/viewcvs/gnome-foundation/membership_new.txt?view=markup
 * He he is giving a talk at the GNOME conference in Seville 2002: http://www.seconix.com/albums/GUADEC-3/abv.thumb.jpg
 * List as contributor of evolution: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/about.shtml
 * Original author of intltool (not maintainer anymore): http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/intltool/AUTHORS?rev=1.5&view=markup
 * Speeches at SSLUG.dk in Copenhagen: http://www.sslug.dk/emailarkiv/moede/2001_02/msg00027.html
 * Papers confirming as well: http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/kasperedwards-ec.pdf http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/bosco.pdf
 * If you want addresses of people that he has worked with, I can probably get that also.

Comment from Falphonso

Keep. I can confirm some of the points talked about in this profile. I know him personally from his engagement in the Gnome and GNU/Linux communities in different development and translations projects. I met him several times on differents GNU/Linux related events. I can confirm too about his support of the minority languages.
 * http://www.advogato.org/person/kanikus/

F. Alphonso (fabrice.alphonsoATgmailDOTcom)

languagefreak


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