Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenneth Pitchford


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. Of note is that s !vote comes across as akin to the third point of WP:AUTHOR, "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work ..." but DGG does not explicitly state this, and point #3 requires that "such work must have been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews", which is not provided. Also of note is that per the top of the section of the guideline page, it states that "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." North America1000 10:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Kenneth Pitchford

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The person the article is about is only notable for being the ex-husband of Robin Morgan. The article mentions that Pitchford is a poet and a novelist but it does not mention a bibliography of his works. The article fails WP:AUTHOR. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * This article makes no actual claim of notability except for who he happens to be related to — but notability is not inherited, so that isn't the basis for an article about him in and of itself. Although a number of published titles can be located by searching on Google Books (The Beholding, The Temple Wall, A Suite of Angels, etc.), the mere existence of a writer's books does not automatically entitle them to an article either if they aren't the subject of reliable source coverage (which is not the same thing as having his existence namechecked in coverage of other things or people). But I can't find any evidence of the type of RS coverage needed to get him over WP:AUTHOR. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when somebody can source and substance him better than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as nothing suggesting the needed notability improvements. SwisterTwister   talk  06:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. He is notable as a poet. Worldcat shows two major books of poetry with over 200 holdings, which is high for the subject. His work is included in standard anthologies, , .   which is a specific criterion of notability for poets .      His novels, fwiw are trivial & self published.  But the first step in judging an author is to seeWorldcat.  DGG ( talk ) 03:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I am reluctantly voting for this to be deleted. I have done lots of searching and had high hopes I would be able to improve this, unfortunately he is known in secondary sources only for being a husband and father. Other information I found gave a very brief overview of his involvement in the Effeminist Movement. DGG would you be willing to save this article? ツStacey (talk) 21:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Contra, I cannot find where being "included in standard anthologies" is a specific criterion for poets' notabilities. It's not in WP:AUTHOR, and WP:NPOET simply redirects there. Where does this policy/guideline come from? Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


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