Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenton Gray


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Kenton Gray

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Not notable. He's a NASCAR driver, a Scientologist and the founder of the "Dianetics Racing Team"

Consensus at Wikiproject NASCAR appears to be that he's an amateur who fails WP:ATHLETE

Most sources are either self-published or published by Church of Scientology as promotional. The other sources seem to mainly relate to the "Dianetics Racing Team" itself, which I suppose might merit an article (I don't know) which could mention the founder, however this chap doesn't himself.Scott Mac 23:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Gray has been the subject of multiple non-trivial mentions in mainstream media, including several profiles. Therefore he meets WP:GNG. The coverage extends beyond his work for the Dianetics Racing Team, which may consist only of him. I've added a number of citations and more are available.   Will Beback    talk    00:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed what you've added. Other than the article in the "San Gabriel Valley Tribune" (which I can't review), I can't see any media profiles of him as opposed to interest more generally in Scientology and NASCAR. I think "weird religion gets into sport" is the story, not this chap.--Scott Mac 00:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added more.   Will Beback    talk    00:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I still see none where the primary subject is Gray, and not Scientology and Nascar. Would it not be better to have an article on the Scientology Nascar team (which you've got all these sources for) rather than a BLP of Gray?--Scott Mac 00:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree about the subjects of the articles, but if you think an article on the team is warranted then go ahead and create it.   Will Beback    talk    00:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you refer me to just one of the sourced (except for the "San Gabriel Valley Tribune" one) whose subject is Gray rather than the team or Scientology?--Scott Mac 00:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to create an article on the race team go ahead. I've invested as much time in this topic as I care to. In the future, please make sure to note it in an AFD when you canvass in your "Neutrality in Scientology" project (as below).   Will Beback    talk    00:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So, no source then?--Scott Mac 01:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Check the citations. Every single source talks about Gray. If you think the team is more notable than the person then go ahead and make an article about the team. Frankly, this deletion seems more about the campaign against articles on Scientologists then about motorsports. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.      Will Beback    talk    01:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I did check the citations, and as I say, all are about the team. This nomination is about removing a BLP which I don't think is at all notable - and has probably only been included because of pro or anti Scientology ideology (although that supposition is actually irrelevant to the debate). I know you don't think we should review the Scientology material - but can we just stick to debating the article and the subject's notability (or lack of it) and leave out own ideological differences aside.--Scott Mac 01:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Neutrality in Scientology deletion discussions.  Will Beback   talk    00:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC) Note: Article does not meet NASCAR's standards to be a driver, or team. I'm not sure about the scientific side of the article though. Since then is the cause of my edit which removed our banner.  Nascar  1996   01:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Whenever the view of people who participate in this AFD, please feel free to join in the effort at Neutrality in Scientology--Scott Mac 01:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Will's comment. Notable individual in multiple WP:RS that also are about his team.Coffeepusher (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I did some research on this person, and he fails WP:GNG, as well as WP:ATHLETE as he has never competed in NASCAR's Cup series, nor does he have a mention in Racing Reference. I could not even find any stats on his races, that's how non-notable he is.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 02:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete An amateur driver who fails every point in WP:ATHLETE. He has raced in none of the major NASCAR series, only some regional series. I see unanimous agreement among WikiProject NASCAR members (Nascar1996, ArcAngel, and myself) on this point. Irwindale hosts no events in the major NASCAR series (all events are amateur with respect to WP:ATHLETE) and legends car racing is strictly amateur as far as WP:ATHLETE is concerned. Legends cars are definitely have nothing to do with NASCAR as it is a separate sanctioning body. Their only relationship is that legends cars were founded by an operator of a NASCAR track (Humpy Wheeler). Irwindale is a Los Angeles suburb, making that a local newspaper coverage. The rest of the article is about his non-notable team in these regional series. This edit of mine from earlier in the article's history makes these points clearer as it talks about how he raced legends locally then moved to the Dodge Weekly Series super late models (which is the name for the NASCAR sanctioning for local tracks). Sadly the edit was before we were citing references properly but I always had a source before I added something.  Royal broil  06:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete After doing some other research on notability, the article fails. First of all, to meet driver notability he would have to have at least a regional series championship (he doesn't), and fails WP:ATHLETE too.  Nascar  1996   13:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete He isn't notable and he fails WP:ATHLETE.  WAYNE  SLAM  21:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per our NASCAR experts. -- JN 466  05:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Recreate when/if the athlete becomes notable in the future. Kugao (talk) 18:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
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