Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ketab Sara Co.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. no arguments for deletion aside from nom JForget  01:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ketab Sara Co.

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Delete. Non-notable company. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Plenty of WP:ITEXISTS hits showing them as a publisher, but nothing actually about them. Therefore fails WP:N. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Assuming good faith on offline foreign-language sources added to article - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If Ketab Sara Co., an Iranian established, locally notorious publisher doing an outstanding cultural job under duress, does not qualify as notable, I am afraid no Iranian publisher would do. Wikipedia should not take an ethnocentric view of notability--we do not want Wikipedia to include article about publishers based only in developed countries (with web-evident notability). Note that Amir Kabir (still active) and Caravan (no more active) are the only Iranian publishers that have Wiki articles, and no 'Publishing companies of Iran' category has yet been created. This mean a serious problem, disregard or neglect of cultural diversity. Suggestions are most welcome to find a solution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotons (talk • contribs) 09:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no reason why any Iranian publisher should necessarily be notable. The test is the same for everyone; significant coverage in reliable, independent sources.  Either you have it or you don't.  - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

In addition to the three references already included in the article, a dozen of news media coverage references will be added with the next 24 or 72 hours. Note that the Amirkabir (publisher) article (corresponding to the only other active Iranian publisher in the English Wikipedia) includes no references. Brotons (talk) 04:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Eight references added, Ketab Sara Co. meets Wikipedia notability criteria for organisations and corp. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP)

1. Added references indicate substantial international, and national news media coverage. These were selected out of a file of about sixty news media references. More references will be added if needed, yet according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP "Notability requires only that ... necessary sources exist, not that the sources have already been named in the article."

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP points out, and asks for avoiding, the kind of bias that has led Alan Liefting to propose deletion. Indeed, it says: "Large organizations are likely to have more readily available verifiable information from reliable sources that provide evidence of notability; however, smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations."

3. Contrary to Alan Liefting's reactions to my comments on his talk page, Ketab Sara Co.'s cultural role in the Iranian context is a factor in evaluating its notability. Indeed, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP: "When evaluating the notability of organizations, please consider whether it has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education."

Brotons (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Most added references given to internationally distributed Iranian newspapers or magazines in English, so easily verifiable (at least 6 of them) Brotons (talk) 01:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There seems to now be a plethora of references, and although I am unable to evaluate them myself I assume they are valid. They need to be formatted correctly as refs, though. Herostratus (talk) 05:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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