Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin 'KJ' Jones


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The result was   redirect to Aretha Henry. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 16:35, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Kevin 'KJ' Jones

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Fails WP:CREATIVE. Non-notable. Little media coverage, except from his wife's website. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Aretha_Henry. His wife is notable, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED and I can't really see where he's actually been the focus of any coverage in independent and reliable sources. He's mentioned in the wife's article under her personal life, which is really all he warrants at this point in time. He's won an award, but it isn't major enough to warrant keeping the article on that basis alone. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Kevin Jones is his wife's engineer and producer.He is credited as such in Allmusic guide and Discogs. The references are listed.Le Creator (talk) 04:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)Le CreatorLe Creator (talk) 04:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * While it can be verified that he works for his wife in this capacity, that does not automatically give him notability. Just being on a crew for something doesn't give notability- there are a lot of engineers and producers out there, some of whom work on notable songs and projects. What gives notability is coverage that focuses on Jones himself as opposed to routine listings as part of a crew. Basically what we're looking for here isn't whether or not he and his job can be verified (although that is important) but whether or not he is notable, which is very much in question. Can you provide coverage (news articles and the like) that focuses on Jones? Brief mentions in relation to his wife and routine database listings that have him as part of the team that worked on an album or song won't really cut it, not unless these brief mentions or database listings show that he's won a major award. (Think stuff like Grammys, MPG Awards, and similar.) The only thing with the database listings would be that the database would have to be one that isn't easily edited by the subject or by others, as we can't (for example) use IMDb to source awards on Wikipedia for this very reason. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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I have added references that focus on him Le Creator (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Le CreatorLe Creator (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately they're all primary sources at best, meaning that they were released by Jones or someone that is affiliated with him. What the article needs are sources like newspaper or reliable website articles that cover him like in the following two examples: . The only source that doesn't look to be primary is this blog article, which is considered to be a self-published source and cannot show notability per guidelines. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   06:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I have added a newspaper reference. It contains a quote from Kevin Jones talking about a studio that he was appointed project coordinator by the mayor of Jackson MS Frank Melton. Le Creator (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)Le Creator
 * That's not really usable either since it's him being quoted about something else. It shows that he was involved with the studio but doesn't show how he is independently notable of the project. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

The newspaper article shows that he is an expert, the go-to guy for all things studio related which is why he was chosen by the mayor of Jackson. The YouTube links prove this also. I think that his studio of the year award further proves it. Also, the production, recording, mixing and mastering that he has done on his wife Aretha Henry's albums can't be discounted. The fact that he has artists who travel from as far as Dubai to record with him can't be discounted either. Le Creator (talk) 17:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)Le Creator  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 07:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 09:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Aretha_Henry - substantial coverage of subject at reliable, independent sources. His notable work appears to be tied to a single artist, hence the redirect.  By the way, discogs is a wonderful site, but it is user edited, and as such isn't reliable (although because of their user-vetting process, I find it accurate).    78.26   (spin me / revolutions) 15:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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