Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Callahan (guitarist)


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The result was delete. Consensus of he discussion is that coverage is either not from reliable sources or does not constitute significant coverage. RL0919 (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Kevin Callahan (guitarist)

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:COMPOSER, or WP:BAND. In a WP:BEFORE search, I could only find the interview for a blog already linked in the article and a mention about the blog interview. The other linked source in the article is a sheet music listing and not significant coverage by a reliable source either. — MarkH21 (talk) 05:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment An interview with Classic Guitar is not a reliable source? Of course he won't fit into WP:COMPOSER, or WP:BAND because he is not. He does however fit into WP:MUSICIAN. Have the nom thought about this category?--Biografer (talk) 06:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The blog Classical Guitar, where the interview is from, is not the same as the magazine Classic Guitar. WP:BAND is the same as WP:MUSIC (and WP:MUSICIAN is a Wikiproject, not a notability guideline).If you mean the sheet music listing (by Classical Guitar magazine), the post describes it as an instance of sheet music sent to us by various publishers year ’round, where we also occasionally announce recent print music releases... these are not reviews per se. It's not an interview, but the subject describing his own sheet music that was sent to the magazine. — MarkH21 (talk) 07:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The artist is reviewed here, Others cover his music, he played Carnegie Hall, covered by Brazilian guitarist and reviewed in the New York Times. There is more, but his music appears to pass WP:NSONG and he passes WP:CREATIVE. Lightburst (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The first link is the sheet music listing I mentioned earlier, not a review. The second link is his music being covered on YouTube. The latter two are performances by other people of his work and are actually relevant. WP:NSONG doesn’t seem applicable based on any of the sources so far, while those are reviews of the performances by the performers rather than the work. We only have confirmation that his work was played at Carnegie Hall in a performance reviewed by the NYT, but that is a convincing pass of which of the points at WP:CREATIVE or WP:COMPOSER? — MarkH21 (talk) 19:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Does it matter which guideline it passes? I personally don't see him as a composer, because, while Classical Guitar does claim him to be one, I see that other sources bring him out as a performer/musician. The creativity is dubious too, but, if he is mentioned in the New York Times, that will automatically will be a pass regardless. I at first overlooked the New York Times article, assuming that one tiny fragment in it wont make him notable. 90% of the article talks about Odair Assad's performance at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.--Biografer (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the notability guidelines definitely matter because if he is mentioned in the New York Times, that will automatically will be a pass regardless is false. That's just not how notability works on Wikipedia. If it covered the subject in significant detail, then it would counts towards WP:GNG. If it verified the significance of the subject through another notability guidelines, that's fine too. But just a mention by the NYT is not an "automatic pass".The NYT article only mentions Callahan very briefly: he gave a spellbinding performance of Kevin Callahan’s “Red Fantasy,” an inviting study in chordal melodies, speedy single lines and occasional bent pitches. The other sources do not mention him at all as a "performer/musician", but just mention that other performers played his composition. — MarkH21 (talk) 19:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. The Classical Guitar article on him is very short, I've seen a ton of better blog posts or user comment reviews. He did have a few concerts or such but they do not seem to have generated much coverage. The other sources listed give him about a sentence coverage. So he fails WP:GNG, and I am not hearing any arguments on how he passes WP:NMUSICBIO (frankly, I find music and sports notability criteria arcane, but the point is, no awards, no competitions won, no reviews). Not all musicians are notable. At best, WP:TOOSOON. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * If it is a blog, according to you, then explain to me why it doesn't say so in the url x/blogs/x?--Biografer (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Because it calls itself a blog, others call it a blog, and not all blogs have "blog" in their url. — MarkH21 (talk) 23:23, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Then we should see what the end result gonna be...--Biografer (talk) 23:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | [confess] ||  05:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't find any reliable source, i don't belive that he pass on WP:GNG. maybe it also WP:TOOSOON.- Nahal (T) 10:38, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The keep votes above are based on faulty interpretations of sources, which has been successfully refuted by other editors. The Classical Guitar website specifically has been mistaken for something that it is not. Bottom line: the subject seems to be talented enough to work in their profession at the highest level, but there no significant coverage in RS to lift achievements beyond routine, just trivial mentions and/or routine verification of existence. ShelbyMarion (talk) 15:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete with regret. The sources in the article are passing rather than significant coverage - a few words in a multiple-article paragraph about other musicians. They could be used to source an article when he becomes notable. Bearian (talk) 16:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


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