Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Heatley


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The result was   delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Kevin Heatley

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Delete per WP:1E as non-notable. Utterly non-notable under 1E and GNG (basically identical rationale as that for the McKenna and Bowen killings; see immediately above). Editor who created this article appears determined to create articles for whichever victims of the Troubles that he or she elects to create. There were almost 3600 deaths in the last installment of the Troubles and they all have a story, and almost are all named at CAIN. We cannot create an article for each one, and this tragic death of a 12 or 13 year old does not qualify for NOTABILITY based on victimhood or the particular circumstances of this death. Also note that the article itself is an example of blatant POV-pushing. Quis separabit? 13:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Seems notability is not met per WP:1E (only notable for one event). Is there no possible merge or redirect target? --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Falls foul of WP:NOTE. Have posted guidance on users talk page on how to find guidance on making sure articles meet notability criteria in future Amortias (T)(C) 21:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per excellent arguments put forward by nominator. Some of the editor's other articles have been speedied. --Dmol (talk) 06:32, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. The killing is notable and adequately documented, even if the person is not. Move to Killing of Kevin Heatley. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Can you advise WHY you think the killing was notable.--Dmol (talk) 20:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Vehemently oppose creating Killing of Kevin Heatley. It is contrary to what constitutes notability for Wikipedia purposes and unfair to anyone who has unjustly been deprived of his or her life in either natural or unnatural (man made) circumstances. Having a source (even an impeccable one) does not confer notability per se, btw. Under Eastmain's logic, the floodgates would be potentially open to thousands of article (as Death of ..... or Killing of ....), from a the myriad online websites dedicated to hagiographical and political agendas, even social media, for anyone, just to name a few examples, say, killed on 9/11, or during the Troubles or in Vietnam, or executed by a state or a government, or featured on 20/20 or Dateline, or with an IMDb or IBDb bio, or most conflicts, weather disasters, publicized personal tragedies, etc. (WP:SLIPPERYSLOPE) Quis separabit?  00:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. There would probably have been significant coverage at the time in British and Irish newspapers, but verifying this would probably require access to hard-copy or microfilm collections of newspapers. If anyone has access to the archives of The Times or other newspapers that hide their archives behin a paywall, perhaps they could check there. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry Eastmain, but you still have not demonstrated why these particular deaths are notable for an encyclopedia. No-one disputes that the killings made the papers at the time. But so do traffic accidents, muggings, non-terrorism related killings, missing people, etc.   This does not mean that the death is in any way notable. Do you contend that all victims of the Troubles (over 3500 of them) are worthy of inclusion.  If so, then we would have to add all the victims from Sudan, Congo, Ukraine, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.   If this is not the idea you want, what makes these examples different.  Nothing does.  They were sad tragic events that happened on an almost daily basis for thirty years. --Dmol (talk) 04:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Repeating the comment I have made in several other ongoing debates: Whilst any death is tragic, and deaths due to natural disasters and conflicts, declared or undeclared, seem particularly so, it is our policy that the subjects of articles must be notable. For this reason we do not have articles on every soldier killed in a war, every victim of a pandemic, or everyone who died in a horrific disaster, though we will probably have articles on the war, pandemic or disaster in question. We do have articles about people who have died in such circumstances, but only where those people were already notable for other reasons. Although Mr Heatley's death was a tragedy he himself was not notable. It is not our place to provide personal memorials. RomanSpa (talk) 07:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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