Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Howard (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tymon. r   Do you have any questions?  21:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Kevin Howard
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Former minor league baseball player and current minor league coach. Article does not meet notability guidelines...while player was once on the national team that version of the team does not seem to have played in any notable tournaments. Article was previously deleted and then restored. Spanneraol (talk) 15:53, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 15:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I can't speak for his accomplishments, but to me four articles in the Los Angeles Times is sufficient for wp:n. Markvs88 (talk) 17:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment I have no opinion on this yet but please read WP:GNG part of the guideline you cited: "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." So 4 sources from LA Times become only 1 for GNG standards and that is before you judging if they are WP:SIGCOV. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Jovanmilic97! Did you notice that while the articles are all published by the LA Times... three of the four are by different authors? So they should not be considered a single source. If someone really wanted to grind on that issue, I've found in the past that it is usually trivial to find a newspaper article reprinted in another paper. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Those articles are all pretty much routine coverage of his career that pretty much every baseball player in the internet age would have. Spanneraol (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The "Player of the Year" and "Hit and Run" articles are more than routine coverage. Most internet era players do not get stories like that, especially from a paper as widely circulated as the LA Times.  That said, the LA Times is still a single source, so at least one additional source is needed before we can start debating whether there is enough coverage to meet GNG. Rlendog (talk) 16:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Besides the LA Times coverage, at least some of which is not routine, he has also been the subject of stories by at least 2 other sources, The Ventura County Star and South Florida Sun Sentinel. There are a lot more hits on newspapers.com, most of which are clearly routine, but I haven't checked all of them.  But even if there is no more non-routine coverage, he has significant coverage from at least 3 sources in 2 states, one of which has massive circulation, so I think he clearly passes the GNG bar. Rlendog (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rlendog --JumpLike23 (talk) 16:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * comment He doesn't meet WP:NBASEBALL and all of this coverage seems to be local sports reporting. His player of the year was from the LA Times for Ventura County (hardly significant), the Ventura County Star was local, and South Florida Sun Sentinel is local for a player at Miami. Coverage all seems like typical local coverage like thousands of others receive annually. Not sure what I'm missing that those enthusiastic keep voters see. Perhaps I look less favorably on local sports reporting to show encyclopedic notability.Sandals1 (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, "thousands of others" do not get this kind of coverage. I have looked up coverage for numerous players at AfD who have failed NBASEBALL over the past 10 years or so, and from my experience this level of coverage for is very rare for modern players who fail NBASEBALL. Rlendog (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Rlendog and Markvs88. Ejgreen77 (talk) 03:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)


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