Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Johnn (2nd nomination)


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The result was Keep, the sources dug up by Cunard have convinced later participants that notability exists Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:03, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Kevin Johnn
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A general search for sources does not bring up anything very convincing. Only three hits on Google News, all pretty trashy-tabloid-press mentions of his role as Gabi Grecko's ex boyfriend (whoever she is). Google Books only calls up one interview(?) in Elle from 2005, which can't be previewed; and a tiny little namecheck in another trashy book about Heidi Klum's divorce. Much of what else I see is advertorial/PR coverage and photos of his designs, some interviews in seemingly unreliable sources, but very little actually about him as a designer or as a person. I do find that strange, as if he's been around so long, there ought to be coverage beyond blogs/PR, but it really doesn't seem to be easily accessible if that's the case. Mabalu (talk) 10:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete non-notable fashion designer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I did some more investigating. According to HighBeam, he only rated one significant mention in Women's Wear Daily, in 2005, if you can call a long sentence in one of 19 long sentences on different designers significant. There is a second mention in another article in 2007, but all it really says is that "a former "Project Runway" contestant" showed dresses in black, white or red. Only eight Highbeam hits overall, three from local newspaper. One of those articles, from 1989, does contain a drabble-length piece about how Johnn was asked to design a dress for the Absolut vodka poster campaign, but again, it's very slight and largely based on a press release. Sorry, Kevin Johnn, but I really did try. Mabalu (talk) 09:25, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete - No references in reliable sources found. Even the "Press" on his own website can't be verified. BoyRD (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "Kevin Johnn Scheppman pops a wheelie on a freestyle bicycle as he points to a sexy black dress on a dressmaker's form in his lofty River North studio. Scheppman, 25, made the transition six months ago from designing freestyle bicycles and racing clothing to fashion, and recently turned out his first super-sleek women's ready-to-wear collection for fall under the Kevin Johnn label. ... Scheppman had fun designing clothes for some friends who were models, and last year produced a small menswear collection under the Artafactica label that sold out a month after it hit the store.  Scheppman likes the contrast of luxury fabrics worked with industrial materials in unconventional combinations. For example, an integral part of his designs can be seen in his use of neoprene (usually associated with scuba gear) with delicate silk georgette. 'It's as if you would put a beautiful flower with a piece of concrete,' says Scheppman."  The article notes: "Chicago designer Kevin Johnn Scheppman, who designs under the label Kevin Johnn, has been tapped to create an outfit for the Absolut vodka ad campaign. Past Absolut ads have featured designs by such talents as Marc Jacobs, Stephen Sprouse and Carmelo Pomodoro. At Absolut's request, Scheppman sent in five sketches. The design that Absolut favors is a long body-hugging dress made of nude-colored stretch fabric, the same fabric used in the back of bras. The Absolut letters will look like a body tattoo, Scheppman said. The ads will run next spring, according to a spokesman at Absolut's advertising agency in New York."  The article notes: "Kevin Johnn, the celebrated New York designer, described the models on offer in Los Angeles as 'slim pickings'. 'It's hard to find girls in LA,'he said. 'They're less experienced. The walk in LA isn't as confident.'" This is a passing mention but it is noteworthy that The Daily Telegraph calls Kevin Johnn "the celebrated New York designer".  The article notes: Maybe losing isn’t such a bad thing. Despite being booted after Wendy Pepper backstabbed him in episode 7, Project Runway’s Kevin Johnn has been getting some high-profile design assignments recently from none other than Runway host Heidi Klum. He outfitted the recently betrothed supermodel for both the Vanity Fair Oscar party and a Feb. 23 Today show appearance. But Johnn has even bigger designs: He’s hoping that ”some wedding” — as in Klum’s to Seal — ”is in the future for me.” Ooh, Wendy would hate that. </li> <li> The article notes: "Kevin Johnn, Season One Kevin lives in New York City and currently designs a high-end line called the Kevin Johnn Collection, as well as KJeans&Knits, premium denim and a contemporary knitwear line. Kevin has created a diverse clientele including Mary-Kate Olsen, Penélope Cruz, Ivanka Trump, Cameron Diaz, Jessica Alba, and Drew Barrymore."</li> <li> The article notes: "New York–based designer Kevin Johnn said he felt it was important to show the second season of his line at Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week at Smashbox Studios in Culver City, Calif., because the Los Angeles area is an entertainment-driven town. Capitalizing on his own brush with fame as a contestant on the first season of the hit TV reality show, “Project Runway,” Johnn hoped to draw a big crowd for his derby-themed Oct. 17 show. For his Spring ’06 collection, Johnn reworked classic equestrian looks and offered spectator fashions reminiscent of the 1920s. The designer showed snug riding pants paired with silk and leather jockey jackets, shrunken polo tops, printed tulip skirts, cropped tweed blazers and mod dresses. Dropped waists and slouchy shapes hinted at a bygone era while a knitted silk tape sweater dress acted as a cover-up for a brown one-piece bathing suit." Here is more information about California Apparel News: <ul> <li> The almanac notes: "Apparel Resources 'California Apparel News 110 E. 9th St., Ste. A-777 Los Angeles, CA 90079-1777 US  Phone: 213-627-3737  E-mail Address: info@apparelnews.net  Web Address: www.apparelnews.net  Apparel News is a newspaper that covers the fashion industry in California."</li> </ul> </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kevin Johnn to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 07:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Well, I'm impressed. These sources are more convincing, although I'm not convinced that a newspaper calling anyone "celebrated" without real qualification is anything other than a peacock term or journalese - we wouldn't be allowed to put that in Wikipedia, so just because one source says it with equally little qualification should be just as questionable, unless there are others regularly saying the same thing. But yes, I am impressed. Good work. I'll let the AFD run through, though, unless someone is prepared to fix the article itself as what's currently up is so poor. But I can't in good faith withdraw a nom when the existing article is so bad. Mabalu (talk) 10:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to allow time to evaluate the sources presented here. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard's sources. Definitely multiple, and at least 1, 2, 3, and 6 are reliable; several short paragraphs in each isn't a ton, but it's significant. FourViolas (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard and FourViolas. -- do ncr  am  02:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


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