Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Jones (Basketball)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Kevin Jones (Basketball)

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Does not meet WP:ATHLETE, contested prod. RadioFan (talk) 01:23, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep there are valid sources by ESPN and the WVU basketball site, and averaging nearly 14 ppg this season is pretty impressive. This nom would suggest that most if not all college player pages are not notable. Str8cash (talk) 02:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure why this is being nominated right in the middle of the NCAA tournament. Last night, Kevin Jones scored 18 points to lead WVU to a 69-56 victory over Washington to take the team to the "Elite Eight", and it's possible that RadioFan's nomination had something to do with it.  Read the article .  Mandsford (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Let's focus on the article shall we? I dont appreciate the accusation of bias.  I dont see the article as meeting WP:ATHLETE, perhaps if/when this player reaches the NBA, they will establish notability sufficiently for a Wikipedia article, but not today.  There is a reason why there are not articles on each NCAA athlete.--RadioFan (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think I accused you of any type of bias, and if it came across that way, then I apologize. Bad timing, yes, since he's getting more coverage at the moment than he probably has received up until now, but bias, no.  I was just joking about Kevin Jones being inspired by the nomination to lead his team to victory last night.  In fact, the reporters asked him if the Wikipedia discussion had affected his performance, and he said that it didn't, or maybe I'm just making that up.  You're correct that he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE, which doesn't confer any special treatment for college basketball players.  On the other hand, I think that he is one of the few NCAA players who has the potential to demonstrate notability in the usual way per WP:N.  As a Kentucky Wildcats fan, I think that his season will end tomorrow, but he gets more substantial coverage, from independent sources, than most players do.  Mandsford (talk) 17:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:ATHLETE is not an exclusionary policy. Jones is a prominent college basketball player. matt91486 (talk) 01:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Correct, it is a part of a larger inclusion policy which determines what is worthy of inclusion and what isn't. I'm still not seeing  him as meeting WP:ATHLETE or WP:BIO, there is coverage, but not significant coverage where he is the subject of the article, not just mentioned in the context of an article on a particular game or the team as a whole.--RadioFan (talk) 01:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * RadioFan is right. No college basketball player gets the inherent notability of WP:ATHLETE simply for playing college basketball.  Matt is correct also-- WP:ATHLETE doesn't exclude anyone; in basketball, it gives a "free pass" to players at the fully professional level, or amateurs who play(ed) in the Olympics.  An argument could be made that Jones qualifies in the usual way (he wasn't the star tonight, but his season didn't end tonight, and my favorite team's season did).  Mandsford (talk) 02:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment here are some profiles of Jones to indicate notability: Charleston Daily Mail, Beckley Register Herald, Charleston Gazette, Journal News. In addition to profiles, here is the Associated Press discussing his NBA draft prospects, here Wheeling Intelligencer is his high school All-America and New York Mr. Basketball. as does this Rivals.com link.  I think these articles clearly indicate his notability and meeting WP:GNG. matt91486 (talk) 05:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This of course doesn't include relatively significant coverage of him in several ESPN game write-ups from his college career. matt91486 (talk) 05:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 00:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Well, let's see how he does tomorrow against Duke. Mandsford (talk) 14:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Due to independent referencing available - although they do need to be added to the article itself. Miyagawa   (talk)  19:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
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