Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Kane (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to The Grapes of Wrath (band). Editors can work on draft versions of this BLP article and submit to WP:AFC when there are sufficient secondary sources to meet WP:MUSICBIO. Liz Read! Talk! 19:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Kevin Kane (musician)

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This is a disputed WP:BLAR and it's unclear whether there's enough notoriety to warrant the musician a standalone article. His solo career doesn't seem notable enough per WP:MUSICBIO so it seems to me a case of keeping a redirect per WP:BANDMEMBER. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore redirect. He was always a redirect until a day or two ago, when an WP:SPA with a possible WP:COI spun off a standalone article — but as always, musicians are not inherently entitled to have standalone BLPs just because they exist. If their notability derives from being a member of a band, and they cannot show that they would pass WP:NMUSIC as an individual separately from that, then they just get a redirect to the band rather than a standalone article. But this is not sourced to coverage about Kevin Kane: it's sourced almost entirely to a mixture of primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, coverage which mentions Kane in the context of the band rather than being about Kane as an individual, and glancing namechecks of Kevin Kane's existence as a supporting session player on other musicians' albums, and the amount of coverage that's actually about Kevin Kane is not enough to satisfy WP:GNG. For the record, the only one of Kane's Grapes bandmates who has a standalone article is Vincent Jones, and even his notability for a standalone article is kind of questionable under contemporary NMUSIC standards, as it also hinges far too heavily on "session player in other people's bands" — the Hooper brothers both just have redirects to the Grapes. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Kevin Kane has been performing independently of Grapes of Wrath for over a decade, probably much longer (I know from personal experience, having performed with him around 2012). He is one of the primary songwriters for Grapes of Wrath, not a session player or "band member." He also performs with his wife Nadia under the name Faux Know and alongside Brian Potvin as a band member in Northern Pikes, and with Potvin as the singer-songwriter duo Kane & Potvin. He has been active in the Canadian music industry for 40 + years and is very well known among Canadian musicians from coast to coast. Mr. Kane is a Canadian icon, rare as that is, who has not made his fame outside Canada. Readers will appreciate the deeper biographical and contextual info about him if they are at all interested in Canadian music history or the current state of the industry.
 * Here are links supporting the info I have entered:
 * https://www.discogs.com/artist/4642614-Kane-Potvin
 * https://thenorthernpikes.com/bio/
 * https://www.facebook.com/9382189345/posts/faux-know-is-a-new-band-comprised-of-my-wife-and-i-and-our-fantastic-debut-album/10154028618489346/ Jasonmeredithball (talk) 14:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your enthusiasm, @Jasonmeredithball. However, you need to prove that Kevin Kane meets the notability criteria. You have provided two primary sources and one unreliable source. None of these sources count toward proving Kane's notability. Please review the notability guidelines for musicians at WP:NMUSIC. Significa liberdade (talk) 00:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Musicians don't automatically get articles just because their solo music exists — there are certain specific WP:NMUSIC criteria that a solo musician still has to meet over and above just being a musician whose music exists, and the musician has to be the subject of third-party reliable source coverage about him in media independent of his own marketing. Also, I think you might find it fascinating to look at the page's original creation: it was originally a standalone article, and it was originally a standalone article created by me. But our notability criteria for musicians changed since then, because musicians were very, very prone to trying to misuse Wikipedia as a promotional platform — so there were specific criteria introduced to determine when a musician qualified for an article, and simply existing as a musician isn't enough anymore. Bearcat (talk) 11:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore redirect: Kane doesn't meet criteria for WP:MUSICBIO, but as Bearcat noted, this redirect has existed for a while. Kane is notable as a band member just not as an individual. As such, a search for him should redirect to the band. Significa liberdade (talk) 00:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.