Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Lloyd (footballer, born 1958)


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The result was no consensus. Technically one could also say "keep" as the case for it meeting NFOOTY appears to be reasonably widely shared. GNG is murkier as it doesn't seem there are enough substantial sources. On balance a "no consensus" case as there has been a tendency to prioritize GNG criteria over the subject-specific notability critieria, but not to the point where only GNG counts. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Kevin Lloyd (footballer, born 1958)

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Two sub appearances is pushing WP:NFOOTBALL to breaking point. Lloyd went on to play in Australia but not in a WP:FPL. He fails WP:GNG as well. Dougal18 (talk) 10:55, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Needs improving, which I'm sure can assist with given he played for their teams... GiantSnowman 13:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look in my Gills books tonight. BTW I wasn't notified as the article creator (although I have to say I was surprised when I checked the edit history to see that it was actually me that created it :-) ).... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added enough to make him look likely to pass GNG, and he passes NFOOTY anyway. He played top-flight football in Australia, not just state league, which the article didn't mention (still not fully pro, obviously). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTY having played in a fully professional league and the recent additions made have fleshed this article out considerably. There appears to be enough coverage to meet WP:GNG as well in my opinion. Kosack (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Questions – The offline sources cited in the article cite to one page each. I don't have access to any of them. For anyone who does, are all of those significant coverage, or some, or none? Also, do those sources (or any) dispute that he played in only 2 games, both as a sub? Thanks. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 00:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Of the newspaper sources covering his pre-Football League career, ref currently #3, "Lloyd snapped up by Cardiff" is SIGCOV, the other two are routine two-or-three sentences that say pretty much what they've been used to verify. The Harman book just gives his Worcester City stats. I can't see the Gillingham or Cardiff books, but typically such books give a profile of each player, sometimes brief, sometimes in considerable detail. Don't think there's any doubt that he played in the Football League once each for two different clubs, on both occasions as the substitute (you only got one sub in those days); the article says he also played in the FA Cup for Gillingham. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * His profile in the Gills book is about a third of a page.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete – Thanks to Struway and Chris for answering my questions. From what I can gather, this article has 3 NFooty games (2 subs and 1 cup), plus 1 SIGCOV, not enough to meet GNG, so a barely scrapes by NFooty + no GNG = delete for me. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 22:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


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