Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Samuels (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Let's let this be the last time this article is brought to AFD in 2022. Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Kevin Samuels
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Fails WP:NBIO  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 05:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 05:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject passes the notability test and was covered by the New York Times, The Guardian, and so many other mainstream news outlets. If Jordan Peterson is not deleted from Wikipedia then calls for Kevin Samuels' deletion smacks of racism and whomever nominated this article for deletion needs to look in the mirror. Kunkuru (talk) 12:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see many reliable sources about him and his work (on the article and online search). Fad Ariff (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are not many kinds of sources that are enough for notability just by themselves, but I think an editorially-written (not paid) obituary in The New York Times is one of them. Nomination fails to make any case for why the situation has changed since the previous kept AfD. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Kevin Samuels satisfies Creative professionals-3, with creating a significant body of work on his social media channels with millions of subscribers (as mentioned in the article). Also, nomination fails to make any case for why the situation has changed since the previous kept AfD. 2601:602:B00:B510:956F:89A3:7FF6:E31D (talk) 19:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't have such a policy for social media personalities unless something has changed recently.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 02:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per above and The Guardian also published a decent length obituary/summary of his career shortly after his death: Taking his advice was like ‘chewing broken glass’: the short life of dating guru Kevin Samuels. Skynxnex (talk) 19:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Oklahoma.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Since "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Samuels appears to have multiple articles primarily about him published in multiple secondary sources independent of each other and the subject. I think the NYT and Guardian obituaries mentioned above are likely enough to establish notability. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Should this count if a majority of the sources are all about his death?  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 02:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the sources were *only* about his death, WP:BIO1E might apply. But that is not what the sources are. They are full-length obituaries that summarize his life, not merely the one event of his death. They were not published because his manner of death made him famous, but rather because a famous person died. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: since during his life, Samuels garnered some significant coverage in multiple notable outlets (e.g. BET, Newsweek , Complex , HipHopDX , Essence, Yahoo News, Parle) and his death caused wider coverage due to his impact on the internet including the New York Times, NBC News, The Root, Complex, The Daily Beast, and NPR and was featured in talks after his death among famous black women like Vivica Fox . He certainly made a notable mark on black culture.Ramos1990 (talk) 05:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


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