Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Scriven


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Cirt (talk) 02:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Scriven

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Minor league footballer; no real assertion of notability. Blowdart | talk 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Tadakuni (talk) 22:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: WikiProject Football/Notability will come in useful here. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:FOOTYN is really just an essay, it has no practical application in AfDs until it is accepted by the wider Wikicommunity. WP:ATHLETE, however, is ideal in this case. GiantSnowman 01:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He's in The Times at some length, and mentioned in the Daily Mail and Guardian and on the BBC. Notability, someone once said, is not subjective. Could you write an article about Scriven which would meet WP:V, WP:NPOV, et al? Probably. Does his fame rest on one event? Not in the usually understood sense. On the whole, I think I'd say the we should keep this, because there's a perfectly good article could be written about him by anyone who cared to put the work in. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, has not played in a fully-pro league. Although he played in the FA Cup (a notable competition) against a Premier League side, he did so while playing for a semi-pro team, and so fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 01:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - I wonder if anyone saying delete here bothered to look for references or read Wikipedia's general notability guidelines? I did a quick search and was able to find numerous articles solely about him that featured in national newspapaers as well as an article from Fifa that talks about him and the rest of his team. Clearly passes WP:BIO regardless of WP:ATHLETE or anything else. Additionally it would be possible to find many match reports etc that mention him briefly so WP:BLP1E is not an issue. I have added the references i found and those found by Angus McLellan to the article, which now merely needs writing up. Basement12 (T.C) 01:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Might this be the UK equivalent to the various US minor players who have had articles about them in the press, which have been about their careers although those careers fall short of WP:ATHLETE. Qualification via WP:BIO rather than WP:ATHLETE? Possibly. Kevin McE (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - He has three articles from major papers about him. Regardless of meeting WP:ATHLETE, he seems to clearly meet the main notability guideline. matt91486 (talk) 04:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:BIO. Article is well-referenced. Nfitz (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's enough coverage to indicate notability. Bill (talk 01:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete A little bit one-eventish. If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted. Cover the event, not the person. His involvement should be covered elsewhere. If it is going to be kept it needs serious work - and no-one will ever get onto it unless it is done while fresh in minds, because - and this may be recentism - the perceived notability factor will fade with time. -- Club Oranje Talk 06:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


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