Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Wendell Jones


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. On the strength of the delete arguments and discounting !votes from the creator that appears to have a COI and an obvious sockpuppet (not necessarily the creators, but look at the contrib history...) TonyBallioni (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Kevin Wendell Jones

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I'm unable to find any substantial coverage of the subject in reliable sources. WP:BIO and WP:NMUSIC do not appear to be met. SmartSE (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Keep The person has notability from Military history. Some things are available through Stars and Stripes, another military paper that I have a copy off and other info are listed in military records. There is a press released but from my understanding you don't accept those. I had spoken to an admin earlier when first writing the article asking what was needed and for them to look at it to make sure it was OK and was told everything was fine Livinginthepink (talk) 00:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This article meets Wikipedia's guidelines In Guide_to_deletion Wikipedia’s guidelines identify “three cardinal criteria” an article must meet for validity. These are Verifiability, Wikipedia: Neutral point of view, and No original research I looked at the respective criteria for all three, and this article meets all three.


 * Information presented is well cited and verifiable


 * Sources are independently written


 * Throughout the article, the writing maintains a Neutral point of view.
 * According to WP:BASIC, "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability."
 * These sources are indeed "reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." I argue that the coverage of Kevin Wendell Jones in these sources is more than "trivial," and thus this entry meets the criteria that "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability."
 * Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but this is not a dictionary entry; "neutrality" does not mean avoiding controversial topics, but rather, writing about them in such a way that viewpoints are properly attributed to those who advance them.


 * Per WP:BASIC, he is notable. Notability isn't determined by sources in the article, but by coverage in existing sources.


 * Passes WP:NMUSIC and has reliable sources coverage.  criteria #1 requires "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." – While The Stars and Stripes and The Community Bridge is the only source which is independent of the musician itself, the article meets this requirement with verified publication by US Military. Livinginthepink (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 04:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 04:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Keep Would give benefit of the doubt based on very "matter of fact" article. I don't see promotional here. Seafox289 (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete neither of the keep votes discuss notability. There are 14 sources in the article - six are film award listings (or I think: a couple are behind paywalls), one is his allmusic site: not independent, two or three are military newsletters discussing how he won a couple competitions, and the others are public records searches or about other people. A quick search brought up very little about him I could find, though he does have a very common name - but it doesn't appear WP:GNG, WP:BIO or WP:NMUSIC are met based on what's easily available, which is a problem. SportingFlyer  talk  13:37, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment For over 25 years The annual U.S. Army Battle of the Bands contest have acts from all over Europe come to showcase their talent qualifying for the All-Army Battle of the Bands and to Stars of Tomorrow contests that is held stateside at Fort Belvoir, Va. While the coverage are not enough to establish WP:N because none of them discusses Kevin Wendell Jones directly and in detail, as require by WP:GNG but there are multiple articles that exist including coverage done by American Forces Network (AFN). Unfortunately the Stars and Stripes article that is in more detail was before World Wide Web and though the quality source don't discusses the subject in-depth however The event was covered by Stars and Stripes and the American Forces Network (AFN). I think the subject still passes our WP:N because in 1988, he and band members was recognized by the VII Corps with a prestigious award or honor so having said that the subject passes criteria # 1 of WP:ANYBIO. Livinginthepink (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


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