Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin feng


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The result was   delete. BIO1E is perhaps a better reference than BLP1E (which should be used in general only for low profile individuals) given by one commentator. Kevin is clearly not a low-profile individual, unless JClemens redefines the term for Wikipedia. Consensus is for Delete!!!!   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  04:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Kevin feng

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Contestant from an MTV game show; did not win, no notability aside from that; WP:BLP1E. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E states that "...and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them." However, Kevin is not trying to stay low-profile. He's going out, he's trying to become a notable PUA, has already been with some notable PUAs and already has bootcamps in the US. I've paid attention to WP:NPF. I added 4 secondary sources, at least 3 of them that go on to note what Kevin is working on in the future, i.e. his own pickup methods, working with notable pickup artists and so forth. He's got a lot of radio coverage too and I'm going to try to fish those out and include them in the article if they can be accepted. Please let me know what else needs to be done Kip 78 (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete - lack of independent reliable sources that demonstrate notability past being on a game show. Feng's intent to make himself higher profile does not satisfy notability. Many non-notable people seek to raise their profiles. Should he be successful at raising his profile and should material about his success be published in reliable secondary sources then by all means let him have an article. Until that happens, no. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 18:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck !vote of indef-blocked sockpuppet of indef-blocked abusive puppetmaster User:Otto4711.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete per Are You The Cow Of Pain?, this person doesn't appear to be notable— Chris! c / t 00:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. He's going out, he's trying to become a notable PUA - Wikipedia doesn't do wannabes. He can have an article when he's made it, and he hasn't made it yet. Totnesmartin (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: You mentioned earlier that he is notable and that he is already working alongside other established and notable PUAs yet here you mention "he's trying to become...". So which is it? I believe more secondary sources could help--everything that discusses what Feng has been doing post game show. Let's see what Google can find... ~dee  19:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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