Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kewadin Casino, Hotel and Convention Center


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The result was keep. North America1000 04:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Kewadin Casino, Hotel and Convention Center

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Non-notable business. I've trie Csding this, but keep getting reverted essentially on the grounds that the owners are notable. WP:NOTINHERITED, sez I. I don't think the crime story makes it notable either. TheLongTone (talk) 15:08, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A7 is not about notability. Adam9007 (talk) 16:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity - what would make a large casino notable for you? As indicated in this article, news agencies have covered it's impact on the local and tribe's economy. A quick look around enWP shows dozens of articles on casinos that are smaller and whose impact is less well documented. So I am curious why you felt this particular casino was not notable, and what would make it "notable" in your mind. Thanks! PS. As a minor note, I have not personally found it helpful to cite essays (such as WP:NOTINHERITED) when there are guidelines and policies around these topics. Basically citing an essay is like saying "these group of people share this opinion" - which is for many people different from "the community has come to consensus on this policy or guideline." Essentially anyone can post an essay on anything, a policy or guidelines requires more consensus. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 16:59, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * For a start, it might be notable if there was anything of real interest to say about it. That it is owned by native North Americans is interesting I grant, but is something more properly mentioned in an article on that topic.TheLongTone (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * By contrast, what makes the Detroit casinos or Vegas casinos notable? Not much has actually happened at many or any of them, yet they are considered notable due to their size, economic impact, and public nature. I am unclear how this large casino is different. Again, just trying to understand why this casino is not notable but so many others on Wikipedia are. Thanks! --Varnent (talk)(COI) 00:47, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF.TheLongTone (talk) 12:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Tanks, North America1000 00:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep but needs improvement. There is quite a bit more in the sources I looked at, like this which talks about the social impact of the casino on the tribe. The Highbeam article looks promising but I can't get to it. Like many business articles, the creators have given a few business facts but haven't actually told the story of the business. I admit that in this case the story is entirely of local import, and that argues against it (see wp:AUD, which requires at least one regional/national or broader source. Here are two that I found cites for that might meet that:

Author: Kaihla, Paul Journal: Maclean's (Toronto) ISSN: 0024-9262 Date: 11/09/1987 Volume: 100 Issue: 45 Page: 8d Author: Leiser, Roland Journal: Travel agent (1990) ISSN: 1053-9360 Date: 08/14/1995 Volume: 276 Issue: 8 Page: 80
 * Dateline: Sault Ste Marie, Mich: gambling on a casino (Vegas Kewadin)
 * Hitting the jackpot: Kewadin Casinos continues in its expansion mode in Michigan's Upper Peninsula

LaMona (talk) 01:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the significance of this enterprise for the Tribe—which is itself shown in its own article to be an important political entity, especially (but not only) in the U.P.—is sufficiently established in the sources to show notability. The content about this particular hotel might also be beneficially incorporated into the broader existing article about the Kewadin Casinos, whose notability as a group is undoubted.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Not very complete, but better and more references are available. RockyMtChai (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


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