Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keyvan Dehnad (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 18:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Keyvan Dehnad
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Delete: WP:PAID. Regards. MMA Kid (talk) 17:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC) ( Nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 01:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC) )
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:49, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Delete: Although the nominator was blocked for sockpuppety, I tend to agree with them that the article does not meet notability criteria.Mardetanha (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Despite the large number of sources listed, there is virtually no significant independent coverage. There are pictures and his name appears in lists, but nothing to show significant coverage.  There's also no indication of him meeting WP:MANOTE or any other SNG.  Martial arts halls of fame do not show notability and there's nothing that shows he's any more notable than he was when the article was deleted originally. Papaursa (talk) 20:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep He is the first Iranian international judo referee (as reported by IRNA in 1992). He has been a judo referee in several official championships including Tokyo Team World Championships 2008, Junior World Championships Dominican Republic 2006, Grand Slam Tokyo 2009 and 2011, Grand Slam Moscow 2012 and Grand Prix in Rotterdam in 2010 (here) including final matches. How else a judo referee can be notable? Ali Pirhayati (talk) 00:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * He becomes notable by having significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Your first source is a one sentence statement, the next two are from judoinside.com, which anyone can edit--and one of those doesn't even mention his name.  Papaursa (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The following sources are all coverage of his work:, , , , , , , . In most of them, Dehnad is the main topic of the source and no original research is needed to extract the content as specified by Notability. He is known as the first Iranian international judo referee and the founder of yongmudo in Iran which can meet the second criterion of WP:ANYBIO. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Almost all of these are interviews, which are generally not considered towards meeting WP:GNG. The others are about him being scheduled to ref at various events, receiving his latest rank (rank is not considered as showing notability in WP martial arts discussions), and about him coaching and awarding medals to his team.  He didn't create yongmudo, he simply started teaching it in Iran--that's not "originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique."  In fact, past discussions have said that even creating your own martial art doesn't qualify you for WP notability since many people claim to have created their own art simply by combining things from several existing styles--and yongmudo is considered a hybrid style. Papaursa (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability is not a none-or-all concept. When the sources are covering his activities as an international referee, it means that these activities are important and it guides us towards his notability. Nowhere in notability guidelines is it said that interviews are not considered in assessing notability. These interviews are not interviews with ordinary people; the news agencies has recognized him as a prominent expert (for example, here by Iran International). As far as is evident in Wikipedia pages, the Judoinside is cited as a reliable source (including Judo) and it is supervised by IJF sources. Fake titles cannot be published there. I can provide you with other sources about his refereeing anyway. I'm still emphasizing the point that he has the "highest" achievements a referee can achieve and this is covered by reliable independent sources. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 13:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NSPORT, and WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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