Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khadija Mushtaq (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) MrClog (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Khadija Mushtaq
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I don't think that this person is notable enough. She is the director of a school chain but notability is not inherited. Apart from a couple of press release style interviews there is nothing that makes her notable in any RS. The keep! argument that she has won Tamgha e Imtiaz is not valid as awards like this are awarded to a couple of hundred people each year. It is a simple state award for services. Without her position as director there is no mention of her independantly. She is mentioned as an educationalist but there is not a single paper in google scholar that she has authored. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete She runs a for-profit university college. People have started going to close to interpreting all institutions of higher education as significant enough to make their heads notable. That was not the intention of the academic notability guidelines, and would be unworkable in the long run.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm tempted to !vote delete as is International Women's day and to oppose the Gender bias on Wikipedia initiative but I'm a bloke and would get an ear-bashing for that. The nom. suggests the true notability lies with Roots School System but we like to jump on that because any attempt to create it is alleged to be by a paid editor.  I note related articles that could have been considered for a merge prior to nomination are Roots International Schools, Faisal Mushtaq, Roots Millennium Schools, Roots Ivy International University.  Actually Riffat Mushtaq may be more notable for founding the Roots School System though it may be Khadija who has brought it to cover higher levels. Noting also ,  &  for background and significance, others may note Roots School System may be "costly" and aimed at the more"elite". Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * After noting the above links and on review Roots Millennium Schools is beginning to look like a separate organisation to Roots School System. So it may be a tricky working whats whats and I've just queried a redlink in Roots Ivy International University to Roots Education System that seems to link to Roots Millennium Schools by off-wiki sources.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Very weak keep: (Moved from Very weak keep - see comment below Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)) (or if not kept the redirect with history or merge to Roots Ivy International University (preferred) or Roots School System). Khadija Mushtaq appears to have influenced the development of the higher qualification classes of the Roots School System and establishment of the affiliate degree programme so probably just has sufficient for a keep and we are being encourage to achieve gender equality on articles but this one is tight.  A minimum of a redirect with history, possibilities and printworthy seems reasonable.21:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: she might meet WP:ACADEMIC#6 as founder and chancellor of Roots Ivy International University. TJMSmith (talk) 16:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 06:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ACADEMIC. I do not consider the coverage listed by sufficient to meet WP:BIO and could not find additional significant coverage. Roots Ivy International University is not major enough to meet WP:ACADEMIC#6. For WP:ACADEMIC#2, the Yale Educator Award is given to dozens of recipients each year  and I could not find information on the Best Councillor Award from MIT. Neither appear to be notable enough for WP:ACADEMIC#2. userdude 06:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ... Did I actually list coverage above? Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: On review and looking at her recognition at and she was in 2010 the youngest educationalist to receive the Tamgha-e-Imtiaz  Pakistan national award .  I have therefore moved to keep above.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, I agree with and  here, the award Tamgha-i-Imtiaz (Medal of Distinction) has great value and it was awarded to only 5 select few distinguished professors in 2011 including Khadija Mushtaq out of a total population of over 180 million people in Pakistan. This fact is verifiable on the list of awards shown on the major newspaper reference I added today for this award. Please let's not confuse this award with the 8 other military and civil awards that the President confers each year on Independence Day. We all know this is commonly done and is the norm all over the world. Besides this, Khadija Mushtaq was awarded two international awards – 'Yale Educator Award' in 2009 and the 'Best Councillor Award' by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 2010. Ngrewal1 (talk) 22:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as above. Will add more and try to improve soon. Ngrewal1 (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ACADEMIC. She is a recipient of the Tamgha-e-Imtiaz. TJMSmith (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Cleaned up the article and fixed the references where needed. Ngrewal1 (talk) 16:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep As per and  - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


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