Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khaled Akil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 11:42, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Khaled Akil

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Article appears to be a vanity page. A Google search turns up Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and this article. Google News produces 7 hits, but this individual is not actually the subject of any of them. Subject was interviewed by "Your Middle East" two years ago, but I could not ascertain the significance of this web site. Subject does not appear to meet the notability guidelines of WP:ARTIST. KDS 4444 Talk  21:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC) A google search shows a verified page along with articles talking about this individual such as Vice magazine, also many articles you can find it in his reference section under the individual's article on Wikipedia.
 * Delete Vanity article, fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The Vice magazine "reference" is a photo credit with his name on it. He himself is not even mentioned in the article.  Sources need to provide in-depth coverage of the subject and should be tied to specific points in the article which they are supporting. Look, I can tell you worked hard on this article, and I can understand you will be upset if it eventually gets deleted.  It will really help you in the long run if you become familiar with Wikipedia's notability criteria and with the process of article creation before investing so much time and effort in an article which might not survive a deletion discussion.  This is what causes many potential editors to sour on Wikipedia and not come back.  Your contributions are welcome!  They just have to meet some specific criteria first.  KDS 4444  Talk  05:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

On the other hand, please visit his Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/khaledakil which has a blue badge, I think Facebook does't give the blue badge if the individual is not internationally known !.lora  09:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Devon (talk • contribs) 07:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This is his biography from a reliable source Foto Fest international discoveries 5, Also you can read this interview with Ham&High magazine and Reorient Magazine http://www.reorientmag.com/2012/09/khaled-akil/ , http://www.hamhigh.co.uk ,


 * Quickly: You are not signing your talk page entries with four tildes like this: ~ . Do you think you could work on this? This would be very helpful!  Next, if the references you mentioned above are valid, you should put them in the article following the standard Wikipedia in-line citation format so that other editors can quickly check them (see WP:REFERENCE for more info on how to put in a reference).  Last, nothing on Facebook counts for anything on Wikipedia!  Facebook is considered a "primary source" and does not provide editorial oversight for its content— Wikipedia can only consider sources that are truly independent of the subject, which Facebook is not, is never, will never be.  The Facebook "blue badge" means nothing.  We need to see at least two reliable, independent, secondary sources with editorial oversight that cover the subject in depth, and we need to see them in the article itself so we can verify their relevance.  Can you do this?   KDS 4444  Talk  09:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also: please understand that I am highly sympathetic to Mr. Akil's political perspective and the tone and intent of his work. Syria is a troubled place, and I applaud his attempt to look at its problems with sincerity.  My only concern here is as a Wikipedia editor, and this concern has only to do with his notability.  I hope this is clear.  Sometimes in deletion discussions things like this get lost.  KDS 4444  Talk  10:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: I may by mistake deleted so comments of User:Joseph2302, please be patient on me, I'm still new here and trying to figure out how to use the shortcuts. as for the signature I'm sorry for that and it's gonna be fine. sorry User:Joseph2302David (talk) 10:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've readded my comments in the correct place, no harm done. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added the required references, hopefully it'll support the Bio and other materials. Does adding photographs make any different ? David (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding photographs makes no difference. All that will make a difference is evidence of published, verifiable, independent, in-depth (non-trivial) coverage from multiple reliable sources. The references that have been added are still not formatted correctly, and are not "inline" citations (they are not connected to specific parts of the article they are intended to support (see WP:INCITE for information about how and why to do this), but, by looking them over, it appears you may have made the case for this person's notability after all, and I am withdrawing my nomination to delete as a result.  KDS 4444  Talk  19:33, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete and draft/userfy or simply draft/userfy if wished; my searches found nothing considerably good aside from some of the current links here (browser) but nothing at News, Books, highbeam and thefreelibrary. There's not much for an article now, SwisterTwister   talk  18:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I'ts hard to relay on News and Books as sources for most of artists from the Middle east, because they put their news in their native language and the war going there from 5 years, generally not all artist has books or news, usually they only make interviews and they write articles about them, and that's doesn't mean that the individual is not known, Despite that the individual in the article is a well known artist and had a plenty of exhibitions worldwide talking about the war in his country and the middle east, he is the grandson of Abd al-Rahman al-Kawakibi, and that's one of the reasons I've created this article for, to let people know the descendants of this important public figure, User:SwisterTwister please check the Resources provided in the article.David (talk) 20:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with AfD nominator KDS4444 (who has withdrawn the AfD nomination) that David Devon has established with sources like Reorient,Hamhigh, and Your Middle East that Khaled Akil is notable per Notability. In addition to the English-language sources in the article, there are likely non-English sources about the subject that are offline or are difficult to find for people who do not read and write Arabic. Cunard (talk) 06:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: Generally a nominator can withdraw "If no-one else has supported the deletion proposal..." See WP:WDAFD. Here Joseph2302 and SwisterTwister appear to have supported the deletion proposal.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * But the Original nominator he withdraw this request, plus there is a recourse in the bio already exist on Wikipedia like Reorient, please Joseph2302 and SwisterTwister we need an answer from you.David (talk) 13:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:48, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Questions. Above, David tells us that the individual in the article is a well known artist and had a plenty of exhibitions worldwide talking about the war in his country and the middle east. Good. Then where is the evidence for these exhibitions? Also, that I'ts hard to relay on News and Books as sources for most of artists from the Middle east, because they put their news in their native language and the war going there from 5 years, generally not all artist has books or news, usually they only make interviews and they write articles about them. Okay, then where is the evidence in Arabic, Turkish, Hebrew, or any of the other languages that are used thereabouts; or in French or any of the other languages widely used for discussion of photography; or indeed in any other language? Meanwhile, here is his website. As I view it, it's in English, with no visible option to switch languages. It has internal links to three "exhibitions", but neither of the two I clicked on seems to mention any actual exhibitions in the normal sense (photos stuck on walls in places where interested people may choose to go). And unlike most websites of photographers, there's no list of exhibitions, of publications by the photographer, of publications about the photographer, of links to discussions in the more incisive among photography blogs, etc. Am I missing something here? If my browser were set up to have Arabic as the most preferred language, would I see something different? -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * User:Hoary 1: "Evidences", it seems you didn't open the resources in the article, please open them all and I'm sure you will find out that half of them are talking about the exhibitions, 2: Evidence in Arabic and Turkish, again it seems you didn't do your homework well, actually the most sources you can find for this artist is in Turkish, and Arabic, Even on of the links in the article will take you to an interview with a Turkish TV, Also you can find an interview for the artist in Sky News Arabic,  3: It's not true that you can't find list of exhibitions in his website, go to his website and you will see above Exhibition, under it the exhibitions with years!,  you missing a lot of things.David (talk) 18:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, the "exhibitions" tab on his website seems to suggest that there was an exhibition of title X in year Y, but it doesn't say where this was or link to anything about it. Nevertheless, keep, thanks to the piece by Hester Keijser and another I clicked on within the list that now appears within the WP article. -- Hoary (talk) 20:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


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