Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khieu Thavika


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The result was   no consensus. NW ( Talk ) 18:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Khieu Thavika

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fails WP:BIO and WP:DIPLOMAT. recent discussion on WP:BIO showed ambassadors are not inherently notable. gnews comes up with statements by him as a govt spokesperson not an ambassador. in any case this does not establish notability. LibStar (talk) 02:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete unless this person can be reliably identified and linked to events and sources. -- Klein  zach  03:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cambodia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I think he's a notable politician, but it's very difficult to find Khmer sources on-line, let alone translated into English. Between 1998 and 2001 he was quoted nearly weekly by The Cambodia Daily as the spokesman for the Council of Ministers. By 2006 he was Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. In addition to representing his country to Russia, there are a number of articles mentioning him in the context of Estonia. This translated article indicates that he was interviewed by a newspaper about his appointment as ambassador. He's also published a study on Cambodia's foreign policy since 1993. I've also found evidence that he's been granted fellowship in the Cambodian Academy, but I suspect it's not a very independent establishment. Pburka (talk) 02:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * How do you know all these references are for the same person? -- Klein zach  07:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In the context of Estonia, the Cambodian Academy, and the Under Secretary of State the connections are explicitly stated in the linked articles. I am presuming that the spokesman for the council of ministers (2001) was the same person, as it seems like a plausible career path and the dates work, but I can't be certain. Note that in some references his name is Romanized as Khiev. Pburka (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are confident about these sources why not put them in the article? -- Klein zach  12:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This comment is irrelevant to the current discussion. We're not discussing the quality or scope of the article. We're discussing the notability of the topic. Pburka (talk) 02:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is relevant. In fact the article is the subject of this Afd. The references should underpin and develop the article. If references are only provided for the Afd, the encyclopedia will not develop. I've seen a lot of this kind of thing recently and I think it's a misuse of Afd. We should remember that the article comes first.  Klein zach  02:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  04:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  04:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Allowing for the difficulty of sourcing, there's enough material for notability. Even if not all ambassadors are notable, the ambassador of a country to a major power is very likely to be.  DGG ( talk ) 05:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it is going to be expanded and sourced to a much better version.Jeff5102 (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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