Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khwaja Mia


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Khwaja Mia

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Though I cannot read some of the references, they would seem to be merely promotional announcements. None of his positions implies notability, or is likely to give rise references that would show it.  DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Engr.  Smitty   Werben 01:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - the references are indeed insignificant coverage but the office he holds is influential and passes WP:NPOL in my opinion. Comparing with other notable offices: secretaries to the government are two levels above city mayors in the official order of precedence in Bangladesh. -- Zayeem  (talk) 18:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In other governments, the consensus has been that the of a department -- in this case, it would be Minister-- is notable, but not those one step under. DGG ( talk ) 04:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - The five "news" articles were all published on the occasion of his promotion to secretary, and are based on a press release from the Information Ministry. The footnotes to WP:N tell us that, "It is common for multiple newspapers ... to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works." The five amount to one source, and not an independent one. The sixth source is the same official biography, this time hosted on the Ministry of Information's website (his employer, so not independent). There is zero independent coverage of this civil servant in reliable, secondary sources. Wikipedia is not an extension of the Government of Bangladesh's web portal, and our notability guidelines do not reflect any official order of precedence. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, so just to clarify, heads of federal govt depts are not presumed wikinotable? Coolabahapple (talk) 11:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Federal" suggests you have a particular country in mind, perhaps Australia, the US, or Canada. I can't speak to them, but do specialize in Bangladesh, which doesn't have a federal system. We're not dealing with the minister, commonly an MP and a member of the cabinet. Nor with their second in command, the state minister, also usually an MP. The office in question is secretary, number three at the ministry, filled by a civil servant, not a politician, so WP:POL does not apply. The nutshell explanation of notability (people) is, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Although the press in Bangladesh is nominally free, when the Ministry of Information distributes a press release, newspapers publish it. The subject has received zero coverage in arms length sources, so Wikipedia should not have a stand alone article about them. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the explanation, delete. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


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