Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ki Chung Kim


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The result was delete. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Ki Chung Kim

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I cannot find WP:SUSTAINED coverage in WP:RS. Only one of the citations provided mentioned him and it's extremely trivial and questionably RS. My prod got removed, so bringing this to AfD. Jerod Lycett (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Practically unsourced BLP with no sustained coverage (per nom.) Ed 6767   talk!  11:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * added the following text to this discussion, but in the process disrupted the formatting of this page. I am re-adding the text without the formatting that caused the problem, so that the user's views can be included in the discussion, for what they are worth. See the page history. Note these are not my views, I am merely inserting them on behalf of Cdblachford DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ki Chung Kim was a highly notable Taekwondo philosopher and practitioner: Taekwondo Hall of Fame in 2013, national collegiate champion, and national champion. His philosophy applies to all combat sports – and many other sports. Clear mind helps baseball players in hitting. Participants all sports need to build a solid foundation, strive to do techniques perfectly, control minds and body. Combat participants need to know the principles of non-infringement and emphasis on humble and gentle. His thought on accuracy, speed, and timing, provides much clarification on these important parts of a technique. Ki Chung Kim’s direction to Taekwondo leaders is highly impressive: “Mentally, the black belt should not deviate from understanding, honesty, compassion, and the proper spirit of Taekwondo. The leaders must be straightforward in their manner.” His words for all practitioners are timeless. “Black belts seek to fully understand peace, love, benevolence, magnanimity and sympathy.” With approximately 700 million people practicing Taekwondo, his philosophy is important and there is no one else that explains it as he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdblachford  (talk • contribs)


 * Draftify I see that there are some mentions in a web search. I found http://spavloutaekwondo.com/about-us/ which has some relevant content, but I am not sure that I would call this a RS, and it certainly doesn't establish notability on its own. But it makes me suspect that this person might in fact be notable, if proper sources are found. I therefore propose that we Draftify this so that there is time for a better search for sources. I note that different people with somewhat similar names cluttered my search results. WEhat search parameters did you use,, may I ask? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just the standard "Ki Chung Kim" -wikipedia. Most of what showed up were first party sources on their own business websites, the closest thing would be RS is an article in the August 1976 edition of Blackbelt, which itself is considered currently RS, however the article is written by Ki himself. The only one I could really find that was second party is the Tae Kwon Do Hall of Fame entry on there, and even that's questionable as to whether it has had the research done to verify the information. As for Draftifying it, it was deleted in 2009 and again June 27. The June 27 was the same user who recreated it this time. The categories state 1996 death, so taking that as is, he was dead over a decade before the 2009 deletion and they didn't have enough then. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete There is a total lack of any significant independent coverage of him. Passing mentions and school websites do not constitute the coverage necessary to meet WP:GNG.  Ranks and halls of fame have never been considered sufficient evidence to show notability in martial arts.  I couldn't find any reliable sources that show he meets any of the notability criteria for martial artists. Papaursa (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I see no sources either and what I find interesting is 1)they have not engaged conversation or acknowledged any of the warnings on their talk page 2) they have tried naming the article to three different versions and 3) finally is the conversation here (which is the same topic just named differently) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John_B123#Ki_Chung_Kim_Philosopher. I actually think it should be more of a speedy deletion because they have admitted they copied it from their Wordpress site (supposedly now shut down) and when that was pointed out they copied from a magazine article. There is also potentially a COI involved. Just my thoughts. Thanks, Bakertheacre Chat/What I Baked 00:54, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


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