Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KidCrusher (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. non policy based keep arguments by spas have bene given little weight and the established consensus is that this lacks multiple reliable sources Spartaz Humbug! 15:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

KidCrusher
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Autobiography that lacks notability for the subject. References provided are mostly from non reliable sources or don't cover the subject in detail. The closest we seem to get to significant coverage in an independent reliable source is from Fangoria but that appears to be a press release (see Articles for deletion/KidCrusher) (also has wp:verifiability problems). I didn't find further coverage. Artist appears on a compilation, but it appears non notable, and has had a song on Law & Order, but that was just a single episode use and wasn't "performed music for a work of media". Is a member of KcaveMen but they appear non notable (Articles for deletion/KcaveMen). duffbeerforme (talk) 09:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - He's not hugely important, but he's real and has been heard on television. That's a lot more than many biography subjects can say for themselves. Also, as compared to the first AfD, he now shows up on Google, including Google News. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 13:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete primary claim of notability is having had a song used on TV, which isn't enough to pass WP:MUSIC on its own. It sure doesn't help that the article is so poor either, complete with head-scratchers like the following: "Also mixing vibes and samples from his favorite Horror Films, Dramas and Documentary's sounding like Jason Voorhees or Stephen King on the microphone with his own Tales From The Crypt story telling drama. His brutal lyrics are purely fictional for entertainment and should not be taken seriously." Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - KidCrusher is a part of a growing underground scene. Simply because he hasn't sold tens-of-thousands of albums doesn't mean he should be deleted. He is playing a pivotal role in the development of Horrorcore music in Australia and internationally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.47.93 (talk) 09:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC) — 122.107.47.93 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do you have any references to support his "pivotal role"? duffbeerforme (talk) 09:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - KidCrusher does meet the music Criteria on WP:MUSIC, for check points 2, 10, 11 & 12. First (2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart... His debut studio album " Tormented Mutation " was on the Awesome TV Independent Charts at number 3 right under the hill top hoods, Which I have added to the page, however all i could find for a reference was a Screen Shot of their site as it was from 2006 and their site has changed a lot since then. (10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film....  His music and performance/video was featured on a Law & Order Episode "Steel Eyed Death" which is highly notable and controversial, he has also written and performed the theme song for two movies " The Disturbed Movie " which he released a music video on the set of the movie " Meet The Monstors " the movie is still under pre-production but their are articles everywhere about the film. also the theme song for " Death Walks The Streets " both theme songs where reviewed and interviewed by Fangoria and recently working on Cinematic Ambience's and Special Effects and Theme songs for the movie " From Part's Unknown" (11) Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. In Rotation on Adelaide 3D Radio & Fresh FM, Also Melbourne's Underground FM Radio Show. (12) Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. For the Melbourne Underground FM Radio Show and has also been apart of Underground TV which is done by the radio show. I have been gathering as many references as I can, I'll also dig up any other evidence you need to keep the page alive. Thanks Guys ! comment added by (Juggalotus5108) 5:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC) — Juggalotus5108 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You do not meet wp:music as you describe. 2)Awesam TV 'Music SA Top 10 Independent Charts is not national and is not a good chart. 10) The song was not performed for Law & Order, it was a simple use on a single episode. The other works mentioned are not notable. 11) Adelaide community radio and a Melbourne radio show are not national and are not major radio networks and there is no evidence of rotation (especially since at least one does not have a formal playlist). 12) A Melbourne radio show is not national and is not a network and neither is their TV show. Ther is also no evidence of a half-hour or longer broadcast. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - For one, he has about 10 cds, hes part of the underground scene, hes made a music video for an underground movie, hes been featured on Law & Order, and hes independent. Mainstream and underground scenes are wikipedia friendly. The matter is if deleting KidCrushers wikipedia page is to be discussed start discussing deleting everything else thats part of entertainment. Hes even part of Tunnel Runners which has its own wikipedia page. He has an underground fame thats been lasting for a while and he has a business. A business run like that which is written earlier in my comment should be paged on this website. It meets requirements. Thank you. (Sirch-A-Lirch) 12:09, 10 November 2010 (ETC) — Sirch-A-Lirch (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Where is this Tunnel Runners page? Which part of what you have outlined do you think meets requirements. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Duffbeerforme successfully shows KidCrusher does not pass WP:MUSIC, and there are is, at best, only one source for notability the Fangoria interview, so fails WP:GNG as well. Bigger digger (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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