Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kidnapping of the Bibas family


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. RL0919 (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Kidnapping of the Bibas family

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Hamas has abducted over 250 individuals. The article does not state why the individuals are notable enough for a specific article. نعم البدل (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep; the sources cited establish notability. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis. News coverage on its own is routine primary coverage and does not meet WP:GNG. If the target page becomes too long, we have the option to WP:SIZESPLIT to List of kidnappings in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel or something similar. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 16:17, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The highly notable event meets the criteria outlined in WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. The sources clearly establish its notability on a global scale, and the enduring nature of the coverage signifies its historical significance. For example, consider the recent continued coverage from last week, just a few quick examples of many CNN YNet  TOI  Marokwitz (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Their notability is attached to the Israel-Hamas war. Aside from that, no-one knows who they are. As per WP:Event People notable for only one event shouldn't have an article about them. This seem exactly so. نعم البدل (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * نعم البدل, if you're referring to the "People notable for only one event" section of Notability (events), you've misapplied it, as this isn't a bio article about any member of the Bibas family. That guideline would apply to Shiri Bibas, if it was a stand-alone article, but it doesn't apply here. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The point still stands, whether it's an individual or a group, their notability is still attached to the war. If the war didn't take place, there would not be an article on them, if they were kidnapped, for instance, by regular criminals. The article only seeks to emphasise on their kidnapping because it was done by Hamas and that doesn't warrant an article. It could easily be mentioned in an already existing article, if need be. نعم البدل (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @نعم البدل The story and its notability are almost the opposite of that. They were held by "another group" (not Hamas or Islamic Jihad), that is exactly what makes this case notable. That is why they were not released with the other women and children, whoever they were held by was not involved in the negotiations. It is very ambiguous how much control Hamas had over the situation, but the IDF did believe the story that Hamas didn't have them and thus were not able to release them. Irtapil (talk) 03:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * That is not how Notability works in Wikipedia, I recommend that you read WP:NOTABILITY and WP:GNG. Marokwitz (talk) 21:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)




 * Note that nomination already implies that the nominator recommends deletion, and nominators should refrain from repeating this per Articles for deletion. Marokwitz (talk) 20:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Ah apologies, I didn't know, I just wanted to reiterate that I'd be fine with all the articles being merged into one. نعم البدل (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep, per the sourcing that this has. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. While I agree we shouldn't create pages for every hostage kidnapped by Hamas, this is clearly a notable case that has received significant coverage in global media as the above links show. Eladkarmel (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)


 * KeepNot only that this case has a significant coverage in media, it’s also a specific case where Hamas denied humanitarian freeing of infant abductees 85.250.157.199 (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This article is notable because it includes the abduction of the youngest hostage in Gaza, Kfir Bibas. He has become a symbol for the hostage crisis and his abduction is notable. Many newspapers such as the New York Times and the Wall Street journal have written articles about this family. https://www.wsj.com/articles/my-cousin-kfir-1-is-hamas-hostage-kibbutz-israel-the-hague-5070924e https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/world/middleeast/bibas-family-israel-gaza.html Sivanadames (talk) 16:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep per Markowitz
 * The sum of all human knowledge (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC) Strike out per WP:ARBPIA WP:ECP. You must have 500 edits to participate here. Marokwitz (talk) 08:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Apparently all the articles on individual Hamas kidnapping victims are being nominated for deletion on the same specious grounds. No, the fact that 200+ non-notable persons were kidnapped by Hamas is not grounds for deleting articles on notable kidnap victims. Evena cursory review of the article indicates that there is ample basis for having an individual article on this particular set of widely written-about Hamas kidnap victims, and I am puzzled that the nominator fails to notice that. Coretheapple (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

*Keep this has significant coverage in the media in world news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.11.113 (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC) Strike out per WP:ARBPIA WP:ECP Marokwitz (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Another notable kidnapping widely covered in the press without clear reason to have it delete it. Hogo-2020 (talk) 09:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep! Their story is different to most of the others. It is notable for multiple reasons.
 * youngest hostage
 * held by the mysterious "another group"
 * not released in the hostage exchanges (negotiated by Hamas and Islamic Jihad) that released the other civilian women and children.
 * There are still some gaps in the story, and there are likely to be more unusual aspects to it. But those three already make their story unusual enough to be covered separately. They are well documented (referenced in the page last time I looked?) and unusual. Irtapil (talk) 03:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. Highly notable and well referenced event of a toddler and a baby, kidnapped as hostages and held in captivity for more than 100 days!!! The sources unequivocally confirm its global significance. Meets the criteria in WP:EVENT. GidiD (talk) 09:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Wish it wasn't the case but does more than enough to satisfy WP:GNG MaskedSinger (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


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